Well, he promised change, didn't he?? Oh, that's right, he NEVER said WHAT change, just change.
People, change isn't ALWAYS for the better.
Is it too early to say, \"I told you so!\" ?
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| Author: | M21 Sniper [ 17 Mar 2009, 18:36 ] |
| Post subject: | POLITICAL ALERT: Obama- Vets will be billed for wounds |
Sorry, some politics trump certain members aversion to seeing political topics in General chat. This is one of them. Please call your congresscritters hoglets: Obama: Veterans To Fund Their Own Medical Care For Service Related Injuries The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes for Treatment WASHINGTON, March 16 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The leader of the nation's largest veterans organization says he is \"deeply disappointed and concerned\" after a meeting with President Obama today to discuss a proposal to force private insurance companies to pay for the treatment of military veterans who have suffered service-connected disabilities and injuries. The Obama administration recently revealed a plan to require private insurance carriers to reimburse the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) in such cases. \"It became apparent during our discussion today that the President intends to move forward with this unreasonable plan,\" said Commander David K. Rehbein of The American Legion. \"He says he is looking to generate $540-million by this method, but refused to hear arguments about the moral and government-avowed obligations that would be compromised by it.\" The Commander, clearly angered as he emerged from the session said, \"This reimbursement plan would be inconsistent with the mandate ' to care for him who shall have borne the battle' given that the United States government sent members of the armed forces into harm's way, and not private insurance companies. I say again that The American Legion does not and will not support any plan that seeks to bill a veteran for treatment of a service connected disability at the very agency that was created to treat the unique need of America's veterans!\" Commander Rehbein was among a group of senior officials from veterans service organizations joining the President, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel, Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki and Steven Kosiak, the overseer of defense spending at the Office of Management and Budget (OMB). The group's early afternoon conversation at The White House was precipitated by a letter of protest presented to the President earlier this month. The letter, co-signed by Commander Rehbein and the heads of ten colleague organizations, read, in part, \" There is simply no logical explanation for billing a veteran's personal insurance for care that the VA has a responsibility to provide. While we understand the fiscal difficulties this country faces right now, placing the burden of those fiscal problems on the men and women who have already sacrificed a great deal for this country is unconscionable.\" Commander Rehbein reiterated points made last week in testimony to both House and Senate Veterans' Affairs Committees. It was stated then that The American Legion believes that the reimbursement plan would be inconsistent with the mandate that VA treat service-connected injuries and disabilities given that the United States government sends members of the armed forces into harm's way, and not private insurance companies. The proposed requirement for these companies to reimburse the VA would not only be unfair, says the Legion, but would have an adverse impact on service-connected disabled veterans and their families. The Legion argues that, depending on the severity of the medical conditions involved, maximum insurance coverage limits could be reached through treatment of the veteran's condition alone. That would leave the rest of the family without health care benefits. The Legion also points out that many health insurance companies require deductibles to be paid before any benefits are covered. Additionally, the Legion is concerned that private insurance premiums would be elevated to cover service-connected disabled veterans and their families, especially if the veterans are self-employed or employed in small businesses unable to negotiate more favorable across-the-board insurance policy pricing. The American Legion also believes that some employers, especially small businesses, would be reluctant to hire veterans with service-connected disabilities due to the negative impact their employment might have on obtaining and financing company health care benefits. \"I got the distinct impression that the only hope of this plan not being enacted,\" said Commander Rehbein, \"is for an alternative plan to be developed that would generate the desired $540-million in revenue. The American Legion has long advocated for Medicare reimbursement to VA for the treatment of veterans. This, we believe, would more easily meet the President's financial goal. We will present that idea in an anticipated conference call with White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel in the near future. \"I only hope the administration will really listen to us then. This matter has far more serious ramifications than the President is imagining,\" concluded the Commander. ------------- Totally effin' outrageous. This cannot stand. |
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| Author: | Old Chief [ 17 Mar 2009, 19:25 ] |
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This isn't political Snipe, this is insanity. First off, my private carrier would simply say..pre-existing condition and we don't cover it..end of discussion. OC |
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| Author: | M21 Sniper [ 17 Mar 2009, 22:03 ] |
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http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03 ... index.html WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance. Lawmakers say they'd reject a proposal to make veterans pay for treatment of war wounds with private insurance. But the proposal would be \"dead on arrival\" if it's sent to Congress, Sen. Patty Murray, D-Washington, said. Murray used that blunt terminology when she told Shinseki that the idea would not be acceptable and would be rejected if formally proposed. Her remarks came during a hearing before the Senate Committee on Veterans Affairs about the 2010 budget. No official proposal to create such a program has been announced publicly, but veterans groups wrote a pre-emptive letter last week to President Obama voicing their opposition to the idea after hearing the plan was under consideration. The groups also cited an increase in \"third-party collections\" estimated in the 2010 budget proposal -- something they said could be achieved only if the Veterans Administration started billing for service-related injuries. Asked about the proposal, Shinseki said it was under \"consideration.\" \"A final decision hasn't been made yet,\" he said. Currently, veterans' private insurance is charged only when they receive health care from the VA for medical issues that are not related to service injuries, like getting the flu. Charging for service-related injuries would violate \"a sacred trust,\" Veterans of Foreign Wars spokesman Joe Davis said. Davis said the move would risk private health care for veterans and their families by potentially maxing out benefits paying for costly war injury treatments. A second senator, North Carolina Republican Richard Burr, said he agreed that the idea should not go forward. \"I think you will give that up\" as a revenue stream if it is included in this April's budget, Burr said. Murray said she'd already discussed her concerns with the secretary the previous week. \"I believe that veterans with service-connected injuries have already paid by putting their lives on the line,\" Murray said in her remarks. \"I don't think we should nickel and dime them for their care.\" Eleven of the most prominent veterans organizations have been lobbying Congress to oppose the idea. In the letter sent last week to the president, the groups warned that the idea \"is wholly unacceptable and a total abrogation of our government's moral and legal responsibility to the men and women who have sacrificed so much.\" The groups included The American Legion, Disabled American Veterans, Military Order of the Purple Heart, Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States, and Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America. At the time, a White House spokesman would neither confirm nor deny the option was being considered. ------------------ How can Shinseki whore himself like this? He should resign immediately just for allowing this idea to go forward at all. Total disgrace. |
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| Author: | HogDog [ 18 Mar 2009, 06:31 ] |
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Well, he promised change, didn't he?? Oh, that's right, he NEVER said WHAT change, just change. People, change isn't ALWAYS for the better. Is it too early to say, \"I told you so!\" ?
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| Author: | Stinger [ 18 Mar 2009, 17:47 ] |
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M21 Sniper wrote: How can Shinseki whore himself like this? Your kidding right... |
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| Author: | prkiii [ 19 Mar 2009, 01:36 ] |
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first10 ... -veterans/ President Obama, after an uproar by veterans groups, has scrapped a plan to require private insurance carriers to reimburse the Department of Veterans Affairs for the treatment of troops injured in service. \"In considering the third-party billing issue, the administration was seeking to maximize the resources available for veterans,\" White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Wednesday in a written statement. \"However, the president listened to concerns raised by the [veteran service organizations] that this might, under certain circumstances, affect veterans' and their families' ability to access health care. \"Therefore, the president has instructed that its consideration be dropped,\" Gibbs said. Obama met with 11 veterans service organizations on Monday and explained his plan to increase funding for Veterans Affairs by $25 billion over five years and bring more than 500,000 eligible veterans of modest income into the VA health care system by 2013. But the American Legion, the nation's largest veterans group, said the president's plan would have increased premiums, made insurance unaffordable for veterans and imposed a massive hardship on military families. It could have also prevented small businesses from hiring veterans who have large health care needs, the group said. The American Legion applauded Obama's decision to drop the plan on Wednesday. \"We are glad that President Obama listened to the strong objections raised by The American Legion and veterans everywhere about this unfair plan,\" Cmdr. David K. Rehbein of the American Legion said. \"We thank the administration for its proposed increase in the VA budget and we are always available to assist by providing guidance to ensure a veterans health are system that is worthy of the heroes that use it.\" The American Legion wants the existing system to remain in place. Service-related injuries currently are treated and paid for by the government. The American Legion has proposed that Medicare reimburse the VA for the treatment of veterans. |
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| Author: | M21 Sniper [ 19 Mar 2009, 02:33 ] |
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Victory! 
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| Author: | TheBigThug [ 19 Mar 2009, 20:41 ] |
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What a Fucking COCKSMOKING TWAT! |
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| Author: | fenderstrat72 [ 20 Mar 2009, 03:06 ] |
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TheBigThug wrote: What a Fucking COCKSMOKING TWAT!
What Thug said. |
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| Author: | M21 Sniper [ 20 Mar 2009, 04:03 ] |
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The cowardly twat already reversed himself. |
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