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From MilitaryTimes.com, this story ran back in Jan 2008 but it is still being discussed on that forum.

As this is a Hog maintainer, I was wondering if anyone knew \"the rest of the story?\"

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Criticizing maintenance got airman ousted

By all accounts, Adam Lucero was a hard-charging airman. When he didn’t make it into a summer camp for the Air Force Academy, he enlisted at age 17 through the Delayed Entry Program and had his staff sergeant rocker by the time he was 21.

But Lucero, now 24, dreamed of going to Officer Training School and earning his pilot wings, so he poured himself into his work and studies, hoping he could one day fly the fighter jets he maintained at Eielson Air Force Base, Alaska.

That same passion, drive and singleness of purpose may have led to his downfall. When he discovered what he considered to be unsafe maintenance practices by his squadron co-workers, and was unable to get the support he sought from his superiors, he started going directly to pilots to tell them the planes they were flying were unsafe. For 18 months, he pushed his complaints despite his leaders’ opposition. Finally, in July 2006, he was forced out of the Air Force.

The 11th Air Force Inspector General’s Office and Defense Department IG have concluded Lucero’s commanders engaged in reprisals against him. What remains unclear is whether another, ongoing investigation will clear his name and let him rejoin the service.

In the meantime, he’s selling trucks in Fairbanks.

Lucero’s troubles began in January 2005 when he transferred to Eielson’s 355th Aircraft Maintenance Unit to become an A-10 crew chief. There he met Staff Sgt. Dusty Surber, a fellow enlisted airman with designs on becoming a pilot. The 354th Aircraft Maintenance Squadron, the 355th’s parent unit, would seem to be the perfect place for two ambitious airmen: Winner of the 2004 Air Force Maintenance Effectiveness Award, the unit had earned all “outstanding” and “excellent” ratings in its most recent Pacific Air Forces inspections.

But in interviews with Air Force Times, Surber and Lucero said the drive for high sortie numbers there meant serious safety issues were overlooked to keep planes flying.

“I didn’t like what I saw — a lot of people were taking shortcuts, not following the [technical orders], letting aircraft fly that should [have been] grounded until they got repaired,” Lucero said.

He said he once had an airman first class suggest to him that they replace a lost screw with epoxy.

With such high expectations for producing sortie numbers, Surber said, maintenance holdups were unwelcome.

“If you wrote up something you thought was bad, they thought ... ‘You’re just doing this to try and screw us,’” Surber said. “These are training missions we’re flying here, you know? What’s the point of risking someone’s life over a training mission? “Everybody was gunning for that next stripe or ... that next rank,” Surber said. “Whenever you start affecting ... those numbers and those sorties ... you’re really messing with fire, because that’s somebody’s potential promotion.”

Disillusioned, Surber asked to be transferred to the base maintenance operations control center. At first, he said, his request was denied because the 355th didn’t want to lose a 7-level crew chief; but after he started talking to the squadron’s pilots about how unsafe he thought their aircraft were, “I was gone within a week,” he said.

Surber had a parting message for his friend Lucero, which he recalled for Air Force Times: “If you stick to your guns, and you’re not a ‘yes’ man, I guarantee you’re gonna find a whole world of trouble.” Lucero found it.

According to the report of a Defense Department-directed investigation into Lucero’s removal from the Air Force, Lucero identified a migrated wedding band — a bearing that fits around a steering pin — on an A-10 he was inspecting June 9, 2005. While that bearing was not specifically on his inspection checklist, he recognized the problem because of his previous work in the Aero Repair shop, and wrote it up as a Red X — the most serious indicator of a maintenance issue. A Red X grounds a plane.

The proper procedure, Lucero knew, was to remove the part and fix it — time-consuming, but it was in “black and white” on the technical order, Lucero said. When a specialist arrived, however, he climbed “on top of the jet, without a TO or anything, took a pry bar and popped it back into place,” Lucero said. The specialist then overwrote the Red X, clearing the plane to fly.

Lucero informed several flight-line supervisors of the incident, but each time was rebuffed. The specialist, his superiors told him, knew better than he how to handle the problem, and Lucero should trust the specialist’s judgment.

Dismayed, Lucero took his case up the chain — and for his troubles, he got harsh rater-directed feedback, a reprimand indicating the need for specific performance improvement. “Our section will not tolerate you being irresponsible,” the feedback reads. Any problems outside his specialty must be put “on a dash [indicating a nongrounding maintenance issue] ... let that shop determine what the symbol needs to be.”

According to the investigation report and unbeknownst to Lucero, the specialist who had “fixed” the wedding band was punished with a letter of reprimand July 6 for his actions. Lucero didn’t find that out until Sept. 12 — after months of being told he should know better than to correct a specialist.

Lucero said he quickly became persona non grata within the squadron. His supervisor said it was Lucero’s brashness and lack of respect that rubbed leadership the wrong way.

“It’s not what he had found, it was the way he was going about doing his work,” said Tech. Sgt. Donald Wayne McKee, Lucero’s former direct supervisor and now retired. “When he would up-channel something, he wasn’t doing it like he was supposed to.”

When a crew chief finds a problem, he is supposed to notify an expeditor, who alerts an appropriate specialist for an evaluation, according to AFI 21-101, the authority on aircraft maintenance. McKee said Lucero would often alert the specialist himself, or just Red-X the plane based on his prior training.

Documents in the investigation report show several other base leaders counseled Lucero on his failure to use correct reporting methods.

“It was causing jets not to make their flights,” McKee said. “I kept counseling him on that, telling him, listen, you need to make sure that people know.”

The battle escalated quickly: Lucero kept taking his story of bad maintenance to higher powers, and his leadership countered with increasingly stern discipline.

On July 15, 2005, Lucero met with investigators at the 354th Fighter Wing’s IG office, complaining of bad maintenance and reprisals against him. Within a week, he was ordered to get a mental health evaluation, and was diagnosed with obsessive-compulsive personality disorder.

Two further military evaluators gave Lucero the same diagnosis, one suggesting Lucero be kicked out of the service. A civilian psychologist later rejected the diagnosis.

Lucero’s paper trail kept growing. He had begun secretly using a voice recorder in conversations with his superiors, legal under federal and Alaska state law. But when McKee found out, he confiscated the recorder, leading to a heated confrontation with Lucero and squadron officers. Afterward, Lucero got a letter of reprimand for using the recorder and an Article 15 for disobeying direct orders not to use it. He was also taken off the flight line and assigned janitorial duties.

Lucero successfully rebutted the official reprimand and declined his Article 15. His squadron commander, Lt. Col. Rick Petito, brought court-martial charges but later dismissed them, instead issuing another letter of reprimand for the recorder.

Petito, who declined to comment for this report, later learned Lucero was telling pilots in the 354th Fighter Squadron their aircraft were not safe, the investigation report said. Petito slapped Lucero with no-contact orders, saying he could not speak with the pilots or the maintenance group commander.

Petito then gave Lucero a letter of admonishment on Sept. 23, 2005, officially for violating the no-contact order with the 354th Maintenance Group commander.

Then, on Oct. 11, 2005, McKee gave Lucero a referral enlisted performance report with the lowest possible rating. A referral EPR typically means an airman screwed up, is not likely to get promoted in the next cycle and could be forced out of the service. Lucero’s referral EPR included this statement: “You still find it necessary to try to undermined [sic] the moral [sic] of the section and the squadron.”

In August 2006, the 354th Fighter Wing’s Investigator General’s Office ruled against Lucero in his reprisal allegations. But Lucero took his complaint up the chain to the 11th Air Force IG, which told him that without new evidence, there were no grounds to investigate.


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Hey, if it ain't right, you write it up. Then if someone does a midnite repair in front of you and signs it off , You write it up again and Red-X it,
No body can tell you to sign off a \"Red-X or it's Ok\" if its not in the T.O..

Tell Production Super \"Okay You sign it Off\" its on your Head.

Sorties or not its not worth a \"Crash Investigation .

I got a TEMS hit for \"Aft compressor Vibration\" something like that one of those \"RED X\" Codes I wrote it up. Prod Super comes over I got the Cowls Open and he says \"You see anything?\" I said \"No but I need to scope it.\"
his reply \"You know those Harness's are giving bad info, just write it off, C/D and get one more sortie for this \"Mega Surge\" and then you can \"Fuck Around with it Goose\".
I said \"Well Sarge here you go you can sign it off as a 9 Level\" I'm not touching it. ( I was being an Ass Hole too for telling me to sign something Off)
I got called a \"SOB and a few other things,\" but He wouldn't sign it off

When we took it apart to look at it in the tail pipe were 3 little \"Bumps\" looked like \"welding drops\" turned out to be Compress blades from the Aft Compressor had a \"Cracked Bracket\" was just about to \"Let Go\" according to the GE Reps they took the engine back to the Main Depot. They figured the next start it would of been Ugly

I got F-ING LUCKY, but I got a 3 day pass to \"Shut me up\"

So you never know, But I don't know the Guys Whole story They Should of Put Him in QA.

But I got tired of \"Mega Surges\" at all cost. Jets would Break all over the place , it was just Stupid and usually right after a Tiger Thrust or a Exercise and Surging for 5 days just to prove a point.

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I was in the 355th when this all went down. Too much to type, but believe me when I say Adam Lucero is a fucking idiot and I wouldn't piss on him to put out a fire. Don't believe the crap they printed in the AF Times, they missed the truth by a mile.

The only other person they spoke to about him in the AF times was Surber, another retard I had the pleasure of knowing at Pope, Osan and Eielson. Him and Lucero were two of a kind, both nonners disguised as Crew Chiefs.

No wonder the AF Times published an article favorable to him, they only interviewed him and his best butt-buddy. Had any other person in APG, Production or Supervision been spoken too, you might hear the story a little different.

I've just began to read the thread at militarytimes.com. I'd like to add a detail to Post #15, item 2. Lucero had barged into the morning production meeting and was causing a ruckus, refusing to leave. The AMU Senior stood up and told him, GTFO RTFN. Lucero refused and actually shoved him. He's lucky to be alive. I'll finish reading that thread and maybe add more of my comments here.

The week after this issue was printed, Col. Crosby, the MXG Commander at the time of the \"Lucero incedent\" ad we came to call it in the AMU (great dude, he retired right before the 355th was shut down by BRAC) wrote to the AF Times, basically ripping them a new one. VERY well written (anything I wrote would have been full of explicitives). I'll see if I still have a copy of his letter, IDK, I have to look for it. If I find it, I'll post it here.


I'll post again if I feel like adding anything after seeing it all.


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OK, finished the whole thread.
I started keeping notes on which posts were full of it, which were gullible, and who made good points, but it became too big for all that.
My comments...

Post #18 is Col. Crosbys letter he sent to the AF Times. Good read.

Post #37 sounds like it was written by Surber. 'Nuff said.

Post #62 I got mad when I read this. Col. Crosby mentioned to me in the summer of 2006 that he would be retiring shortly, and obviously I was not the first person he had told. He did not retire to dodge an axe, and it is pretty insulting to him to insinuate so.

Posts #63 and 70 said the same as me.

Post #101 This guy said it perfect.


Lucero is a pathological liar. I remembered another Lucero story as I was going through that thread. It was early 2007 (still cold and snow, probably around February, maybe March) and I was in Fairbanks with a few other Crew Chiefs stopped at a sandwich shop in Fairbanks. We saw Lucero there, and he started talking to us, going on about how he was suing the AF, and he got a personal phone call from Donald Rumsfeld (yes, THE Donald Rumsfeld, THE Secretary of Defense)and that Rumsfeld apologized to him for everything he had been put through, and he was going to be let back in the AF, and given a commission, that it would all be done by the summer. Yeah, OK :roll:.

If you were to speak to anyone who knew him (except his boy Surber) The first words are almost guaranteed to be some variation of \"Fuckin' Lucero\" The only good that guy did in the AF was give everyone else plenty of stories to tell.


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Col. Crosbys letter to the AF Times:
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Letter To The Editor:

As an avid reader and 27-year subscriber to the Air Force Times, I was shocked and appalled at the article, “Whistleblower’s woes” [Jan. 14].

Your article seemed to rely on the opinions of those who had an ax to grind and discounted the army of supervisors, section chiefs, flight chiefs, officers in charge, first sergeants, chiefs and commanders (in two squadrons) who were behind disciplinary actions against [Staff Sgt. Adam] Lucero. It also discounts all of the lawyers who scrutinized those legal actions, the wing commander who reviewed all of the history and investigator general reviewers all the way from the wing through the 11th Air Force who agreed that Lucero was handled appropriately.

Here are some actual facts that should have been included in the article:
Lucero wasn’t “thrown” out of the Air Force. He ended his career with an honorable discharge at the end of his enlistment. He had been denied re-enlistment because of his disciplinary issues and recommendations from medical evaluators.

Lucero did not get an Article 15 for disobeying orders not to use the recorder. When the recorder was discovered and disagreement ensued, a senior master sergeant and a captain intervened and tried to defuse the situation by telling Lucero to leave the room. Lucero disobeyed both of them. Thus, the Article 15 was offered because he refused to obey the direct orders of a senior noncommissioned officer and an officer, not for his attempt to record a conversation. He subsequently declined the Article 15 and elected trial by court-martial.

The article suggests the squadron kept Lucero in the dark about disciplinary action taken against the technician that repaired the wedding band. What the article neglects to mention is that the 7-level technician was assigned to another squadron. It’s a stretch to insinuate that a squadron commander needs to answer to a 5-level for disciplinary action taken against a 7-level in another squadron.As far as Lt. Col. [Anthony] Buck is concerned, I find it curious that everyone involved in this case has been advised to withhold comment and respect the IG investigation currently underway. The guy appointed as an IG in this case is not only venting his opinions about the case to the press, but is also stating his opinions on disciplinary actions he thinks should be taken.

This says a lot about Buck’s lack of professionalism and respect for IG investigations (or at least investigations conducted by someone other than himself), and his comments in the article clearly bring his objectivity into question.

The issue was never faulty maintenance. People recommend improvements to maintenance all the time, and believe it or not, those improvements are implemented because our No. 1 priority is safe, reliable aircraft. Maintainers are keenly aware that training lost because of system malfunctions today means more work tomorrow.

The problem in this case was that rather than being part of the solution and helping to fix problems, Lucero disobeyed lawful orders, was disrespectful and threatening to superiors, and attempted to sow seeds of distrust with pilots; a significant negative impact on good order and discipline.
In this case, Air Force Times was so eager to use an “Officers Gone Wild” story to sell papers that it threw its journalistic integrity out the window.

In my opinion, that classifies you as a tabloid no longer worthy of my longstanding subscription. Shame on you.

Col. Ron Crosby (ret.)


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Good enough for me but I'm surprised he never had an :wink: \"Blast Fence Meeting\"?

But we all had or met \"Supervisors\" or \"Upper Managment \" that could use \"Blast Fence Counsuling \" Hell when I had my head-up my Ass, I needed one, to snap out of it. But I respected the person for it. But if you ever thought a Jet was unsafe, and didn't ground it, I'd Kick their Ass myself, fight about it later.

But you never ,ever crossed the line, pushing another person (in front of witnesses)

But we all know that this kinda of \"Old Boy Clubs\" were in the AF, and alot of what was said, everyone of else can remember seeing it happen, and if you said a \"Word\" you were a \"Shit Sandwhich\" .

But there were ways off dealing with those people , without making trouble or brining down Moarle for the Unit.

My Jet and pilot came first, screw the training sorties,but I did bend the rules, but Never put My Old Girl or Her Pilot into Danger.

I rather get my Ass Chewed then go in front of an Accident Board.

I'll take your work Jackb you knew first hand and You wouldn't do anything to put a pilot in danger or a Jet.




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Without even reading JackB's comments my initial reaction was to groan. I kept looking for balance in the article and found absolutely none. This is journalism in its worse form, it's sensationalism and not something I'd expect of a quasi official source.

I may need some re-education about something. Since when are write-ups put on a dash? Keeping in mind I'm older than dirt, we always used a dash to indicate an overdue inspection. How about entering a diagonal and let the specialist upgrade to an X if deemed necessary, easily done if it's a diagonal. Has the 00-20 series changed that much or is it another example of shoddy reporting and, dare I say it, a Staff Sgt that doesn't know any better?

There's a huge difference between \"hard charging\" and loose cannon. This guy is the latter of the two and the Air Force is better off without him.

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Dashes are for inspections or unknown conditions.
If you think something is bad but it's not directly in your area, you put it on a dash and someone from that section would sign off the dash and upgrade it to an x or downgrade it to a diagonal.
For example, if I find what I think is delam on a flap, I put it on a dash and sheet-metal has to come out and confirm that it is in fact delam, not just paint bubbling, then they would change it to an X. Or another example would be to diagonal what you think is a leak and sign it off as either within limits or residual, or x it if it really is a leak.
We use diagonals for verified actual discrepencies that are ok to fly with, like everything in the K.


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The only time I remember the \"Red Dash\" was for \"Inspections\", TCTO' inspections like \"NDI\", etc.....
You either put it on a / or a X ,MAC use to put Engine intake inspection on a -- until a \"Major Mal- F-UP Happened\" then they went to a RED X.
Tire Pressure use to be on a Red Dash wasn't it until the \"Rec-cap\" disaster\" wasn't it.?
Been too long ago, you just fixed it and went on if you could.

Too long ago hell you guys don't even have AFTO Forms do you now?

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I was in QA at Eielson when all this was going on. I have read the article and Col Crosby's response. I had the opportunity to talk with Lucero on numerous occasions about the goings on around all this. I talked to a lot of people who had an inside view on all this or had some minor contact with lucero in some way at the time. Talking to Lucero about all his troubles made me realize how deep seated his \"Me against the world\" attitude was. I explained to him that, as a line crew chief, if you find a possible discrepancy that is outside your realm of expertise, you put it on a dash and let the subject matter experts investigate and deal with the issue. They will either fix it or sign it off as good enough for now. That is their call as the suject matter experts. This guy was the type that went hunting for the answer he wanted, even if it meant passing on the answers of several dudes with more experience to hear what he wanted to hear. And Jack is right, his buddy Surber was usually his outlet for validation. The problem was Surber knew as little as Lucero did. I did what I could to help him succeed but it seemed like nothing got through. Then more aspects of the situation came to light and it was harder to give him useful advice he wouldn't try turning for his benefit. He tried using my words from his perspective to further himself and his cause on the cross. When I got wind of this I went strait to the chief to sort out what he said I said versus what I actually told him. Two very different stories.

\"Document the unknown condition or possible discrepancy on a red dash, have the expediter call out the subject matter experts. They will Come out, look it over and make a call. It is then no longer your decision to make because you do not know the right answer. The experts make the call based on their tech data and it is now on them if thing go awry for whatever reason\" became.....

\"Write it up and have the proper shop come fix it or you will be allowing an unsafe arcraft to fly and you will kill your pilot.\"

Don't trust the article, trust the people who were there. This dude caused a lot of trouble by circumventing the chain of command. It isn't your place to question what you don't know. As long as I have been serving, it has been the mantra that if it is unsafe, get it fixed. There is NO training sortie ever flown worth risking unsafe aircraft. This guy did everything the wrong way.

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Goose, we still use all of the AFTO 781s. Not sure exactly why other than a quick reference for pilots or MX rather than checking IMDS (CAMS back in the day). Everything we write up is supposed to go into IMDS and the forms.

Interesting discussion here. I guess every unit has a douchebag or two. :wink:

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After reading all this, I think the title could be changed from \"ousted\" to \"outed\". :wink:

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The only time I remember the \"Red Dash\" was for \"Inspections\", TCTO' inspections like \"NDI\", etc.....


We went to the same schools Goose.

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Gotta quick question for those that knew Lucero and Surber, is this the latter?

Dusty Surber on FaceBook

We've got someone defending them on a different forum under the name 'AV8TR,' and I suspect it is either Lucero or Surber. 'AV8TR' claimed Lucero was commissioned, which is bullshit as no one denied reenlistment would be allowed to become an officer, and there is no listing for any 'Adam Lucero' on the AF White Pages in any rank.

But I see where there is a SSgt Dusty Surber at Dyess, working in AMC ~ DOF, is it the same guy?


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Out of this Whole thing,

the \"Red ----\" thing just Blows my mind\"

Things really changed over the past 28 years.

This Guy though really needs to move on like Joining the Army as a \"Truck Driver\" in Iraq or Afgannyland .

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Actually, Goose, rumor's that he is now a 2LT in the Alaska Army National Guard (207th Infantry Group)...


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The link to FB, is indeed the POS Surber, or as he was affectionately know Slurper

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Let the Army deal with him, Even if he is a Butter Bar, he gets out of line a \"Old Timer Army NCO\" will deal with it.
He might long for the \"Shut your Mouth\" days.


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sgtgoose1 wrote:
The only time I remember the "Red Dash" was for "Inspections", TCTO' inspections like "NDI", etc.....
You either put it on a / or a X ,MAC use to put Engine intake inspection on a -- until a "Major Mal- F-UP Happened" then they went to a RED X.
Tire Pressure use to be on a Red Dash wasn't it until the "Rec-cap" disaster" wasn't it.?
Been too long ago, you just fixed it and went on if you could.

Too long ago hell you guys don't even have AFTO Forms do you now?

Goose

I'm with you! If it's an unknown condition i put it on an X and the system expert can either fix it or downgrade it. An aircraft can fly on a - so if i want to make sure someone doesn't "fly it one more time" I will X it and then if something happens later it's all on the specialists hands! We only put inspections on dashes.


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