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PostPosted: 13 Apr 2004, 15:00 
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Here's one example of an airframe on life support. It should have had a living will drawn up.

<b>TO FILL JSF SLIP, NAVY CONSIDERS INCREASING CENTER BARREL REPLACEMENTS ON F/A-18CS:</b> The Navy is considering increasing the number of center barrel replacements (CBR) for its Boeing F/A-18C fighter-bombers to extend their life spans given the one-year, $5B slip in the development of the F-35 JSF program managed by Lockheed Martin. "The Navy is considering increasing the number of center barrel replacements on F/A-18Cs to meet force structure requirements, among a number of possible options. No final decision has been made," a Navy spokesman told Defense Daily yesterday. Sources said to fill the yearlong gap created by the JSF delay, the Navy will incorporate CBRs on more than 270 FA/-18C/D aircraft, a move costing $244M in the FYDP. The CBR would increase the durability of the aircraft, allowing the Cs to increase the number of carrier takeoffs and landings they can endure. According to sources, the CBR would restore full wing route (<i>they mean root, as in wing/body joint</i>) fatigue life for Lot 17 versions of the F/A-18C and below. Sources also said that the CBR would be worth $6M in the FY '06 Program Objective Memorandum. Other options to fill the gap caused by the JSF schedule slide include buying 24 more F/A-18E/F Super Hornet fighter-bombers at an estimated cost of $1.32B, standing up additional Super Hornet squadrons and even fixing obsolete portions of Marine Corps AV-8B aircraft for $284M. (Defense Daily)




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Because 270 F-18Cs are affected, and a 'squadron or two' of super hornets will not make up the difference.

It would take about 20+ squadrons of Super Hornets to make up that difference.

This is what i wrote to you on about a month ago Stress. I take it that it's become public.

"When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
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This is what i wrote to you on about a month ago Stress. I take it that it's become public.

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Roger that, Snipe.

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If the USMC cannot afford to make the JSF on their own, than I say they should just stick with conventional aircraft and buy Super Hornets and spend that extra money that would have been used in the R&D for it elsewhere.

Isn't one V-22 program at a time enough?!

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You may have something there, BV.

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How much cheaper does the Super Hornet become if the USN buys another 270? Wow, an all Super Hornet fleet, I cannot believe I am about to even suggest this - but let's face it... <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

Just a WAG but they would be about 25% less fly-away cost than today's prices. The thing is, the Navy would need less pilots. If you're spending the same amount of money you could only buy, say, 75 new SH.

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<i>This opinion comes from the home town paper of the F-22 System Program Office. Blah Blah</i>


Editorial: <b>'If Not F/A-22, Something's Got To Give' </b>(Posted: Wednesday, April 14, 2004)
[Editorial Opinion, Dayton Daily News, April 14, 2004]

The Raptor is the Air Force's intended fighter jet of the future. After almost 20 years of discussion — after it was first proposed as a Cold War system — it is under limited construction in Georgia. Full-scale production awaits.

The program is managed at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, where it employs more than 200 people.

It has faced many political difficulties because of its massive and growing cost. (It's now officially a $71-billion program.) In 1999, the U.S. House of Representatives actually voted to put it on hold for a year.

But this Cold War idea has managed to survive the Cold War. That's in part because air power — of one sort or another — has been so crucial to a string of recent American military successes: the Gulf War of 1991, the Kosovo war of 1999 (which entailed nothing but air power, and saw no U.S. combat deaths), the Afghanistan war and the Iraq war (proper) of 2003. The message came through loud and clear to policymakers that air power is not a concern of the past.

Now, however, the United States is engaged in a military effort in which its overwhelming air superiority is bringing no quick victory. The Iraq war is costing monumental amounts of money. And many observers believe it is underfunded at that; they say the Pentagon needs to send more troops, which would probably mean expanding the overall number of people in uniform.

When the Raptor ran into political problems in 1999, those problems came not from congressional doves skeptical of defense spending generally, but from people who wondered whether the Pentagon should be concentrating so much money in one combat system, given potentially cheaper alternatives.

Then came 9/11 and all manner of new defense expenditures, some under the rubric of Homeland Security, and some in the Pentagon, including the war in Afghanistan. Then came Iraq.

Now Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., an out-and-out hawk on Iraq, is saying that the Raptor may have to give way to on-the-ground needs in Iraq. That has shaken things up politically, because he's an important, knowledgable player with a lot of respect in both parties.

He's right about one thing, at least: The government needs to face up to some difficult choices. It can't add war expenses to pre-war expenses, while cutting nothing substantially except taxes. That just doesn't meet basic standards of common sense. Yet President George W. Bush has proceeded precisely on that course.

He has not wanted to make any of the difficult trade-offs that war can reasonably be expected to bring in the realm of taxes, domestic spending, troop strength or pending weapons systems.

That raises the prospect of Congress making them. And that raises the prospect of the process being done haphazardly and short-sightedly.

The Raptor, as envisioned, is an incredible instrument. It can fly higher, faster and more nimbly than its competition, while avoiding radar detection while targeting successfully.

Moreover, the repeated use of air power in the recent past suggests that it will come in handy in the future.

Even though the United States already has air superiority over everybody, and it faces no arms race with the Russians, two post-Cold War administrations decided before 9/11 that development of the Raptor was in the national interest. They had good reasons.

What's needed now is a systematic assessment by both Congress and the White House of what's changed, and what has to give. Simply lopping off the Raptor because it is a highly-exposed, big-ticket item would not be the responsible way to proceed. But the Air Force cannot object to a general reassessing of the big picture.

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You want a workable solution? Tell the idiots in the office of Budget and Management and the CNO' office to STOP retiring our conventional aircraft carriers years before they are worn out...

All the Kittyhawk class and majority of the Forestal class had all been through SLEP (Service Life Extension Program) in the 1980s where we spent billions of dollars to extend their useful lives, and now, instead of taking advantage of this prepaid asset, we have sent them off to the scrap yeards and are building additional nuclear vessels, with new electromagnetic catapults on a new design. We dont need these new carriers when ships such as Constellation, Ranger, Independance still have a good 20 years left in them...

Its typical waste of assets...

Don't you just love Government waste?

Add to this that over 5 billion was spent by the boys on the hill on pure porkbarrell projects...

I think the best thing that could of happened to this country would of been if Bin Forgettens crew had hit the capital instead of the WTC and Pentagon...

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PostPosted: 15 Apr 2004, 12:18 
Hey bro...you wouldn't happen to go by the name ATMahan on another board would ya?

"When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier."

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The F-14D was a pre-paid solution to our current navair delema...


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