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Put a big radar on its back and it could replace the E-2.

Granted the E-2 would have a speed edge, but its 2003 who needs to be fast.

And the F/B-18F would be slower than the B-52, and carry much less bombs, and I think the B-52 might outturn it, but its a new threat out there and Americans need to be ready.

Don't get me started on the F/V-18F for VIPs.

Or the F/A/C-18F to replace the AC-130.

I think the F/A-18E/F family will be bigger than the C-130



Edited by - troung on Feb 11 2003 10:48 AM

Hehehehe

Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

Troung
How many points-of-view have you read on this matter?
One?



Edited by - Tritonal on Feb 11 2003 12:29 PM

Troung.......You and I are gonna get along great. Good points, lol


If you are not having fun, you are not doing it right!

"How many points-of-view have you read on this matter?
One?"

Well seeing as the F/A-18A/C outturn/outrange/outclimb and outacclerate it,, whats so great about it? What can make it repalce the F-14? They didn't fit the AIM-120 on the F-14 likely to make room for the F/A-18E/F. Today the F/A-18E/F carry the APG-73 which is the same radar as the F/A-18A/C. How many points of view do I need?

As long as it sticks to early model MiG-21s (F/FL/PF) it could do fine. Just hope they don't get past the AIM-120s and up close.

But to be truthfull, lets say the USN goes agianist India (~2006) which has MiG-29SEs (76), M2Ks (60), MiG-21UPGs (125) and Su-30MKIs (50) how much a chance does the F/A-18E/F have? Any of those planes would crush it up close and most are carry the R-77 (MiG-21UPG, Su-30, MiG-29). While the F-14 would crush any of those. Or if they fight Chinese Su-27SK and Su-30MKK it would do poorly compared to the other USA planes in the area (F-15, F/A-18C/D, F-16C/D).

Troung, i agree buddy.



Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

F/U-18F to replace the U-2

F/H-18F for SAR.

F/M-18F for special forces support missions.

I think we need a model of the F/A-18E/F to replace the SR-71, any suggestions?

LOL, sadly there is some Naval idiot somewhere that is probably trying to push all this crap.

Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

I'm seruois, an all F/A-18E/F force for all branches including the US army to replace the M-1A1 and the M-2/3.


But to be real at best the Super Whore is a strike plane. The RMAF is buying it for ground attack and the Su-30MKM for defenting its skeis and escorting the F/A-18F

And where did you get your info? The chief engineer website for Grumman. And you still didn't answer my question. Perhaps you read only the stuff that agrees with you?





Edited by - Tritonal on Feb 11 2003 4:21 PM

So what makes the F/A-18E/F such a grewat F-14 replacment? If it was there would not even be these topics. It carries the APG-73 radar of the F/A-18C which has the low end to the F-14, F-18C combo. It lakcs the range of the F-14 or even the payload, what makes it more than an SUV?

<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>-I couldn't...What?

I'm just saying and find other points of view. They are out there. Pilots with actual experience have a different point-of-view. If you've read enough of these topics to dig up this old fossil of a thread than that's a start; I've posted stuff.
You're just regergatating what other people have said on this forum your replies are really just banter.

*FYI Hornet will receive a new radar, which will put it up with the front-line fighters, or did you just conviently glaze over that.

Actually Tritonal, there is only one F-14 pilot that is always blabbing about the Stupid Bug.

Tomcat posted a letter signed by over 200 naval aviators asking congress to cut the F-18E- but you ignored that cause it doesn't fit with YOUR opinion.



Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Tomcat posted a letter signed by over 200 naval aviators asking congress to cut the F-18E- but you ignored that cause it doesn't fit with YOUR opinion.

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That's news to me. If you can find it show it, cause I didn't see it. Are these current pilots, and when was it signed, 1991?

But it is replacing the APG-71/AWG-9 equipped F-14s with APG-73 F-18Fs. I don't care when the APG-79 is coming, if the USN has to use them before that date and takes on anyhting above a MiG-23ML or Mirage F-1EQ-4 the SH will get spanked. All that shows is the project is running behind. Its not agile or fast. The lack of the AIM-54C is big also because thats less air space the F/A-18E/F can cover and the fact the SH has a smaller range. The fact that the F-18A/C are more agile shuould say somthing. It reminds me off the Tornado ADV a crappy fighter more suited to bombing. but even as a bomber the F-14 would outclass it, with its longer range and larger usebale payolad over that range. No what makes the F/A-18E/F better than the F-14D? While the Navy is buying this, the USAF is buying the F-22.

So what makes it better than the F-14?

Not even Tritonal claims it is better than the F-14D, just that it is 'still good enough'.

Good analagy with the Tornado ADV.



Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

The letter Tomcat posted is in one of these threads somewhere.

Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

Okay, and your right on my view of the Tomcat, I don't have that opinion-My reference does<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>



Edited by - Tritonal on Feb 11 2003 5:56 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> But it is replacing the APG-71/AWG-9 equipped F-14s with APG-73 F-18Fs. I don't care when the APG-79 is coming, if the USN has to use them before that date and takes on anyhting above a MiG-23ML or Mirage F-1EQ-4 the SH will get spanked. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>


And you can confirm that... how?
Troung,
I'll give you one advantage-Maintainance. The rest is classified.

And Noone needs the phonie bomb anymore, its 2003 not 1984. Your plane is going, going-GONE.



Edited by - Tritonal on Feb 11 2003 6:02 PM

Prove what, that the F-18E/F is equipped with the APG-73?

Yeah, i can prove that.

I already did on another thread(Think Buzz)

Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

Well lets draw up a mock little battle...

300 miles away from each other.......

4 F-14Ds carrying 2 AIM-54C, 2 AIM-9M, 1 Lantrin pod and 2 GBU-24 on a strike mission

vs.

4 F/A-18E/F carrying 10 AIM-120C and 2 AIM-9M

Who will you bet on?

Or

300 miles away from each other.......

4 F-14D carrying 4 AIM-54C, 2 AIM-7M and 2 AIM-9M

vs.

8-12 F/A-18F carrying 4 AIM-120, 2 AIM-9M, 2 GBU-24 or a strike mission


I'll pick the F-14 for either fight.

The SH could not fight until at least 45 miles and most less than that. The F-14D could fight at anywhere from 80-100 miles.


Either way the SH better try and run (as FAST as it can).

"I'll give you one advantage-Maintainance. The rest is classified."

Are any of those other adavatages, radar range, speed, climb, diving, air craft range, the AIM-54C (with a 127 mile range), agilty, payload?



Edited by - troung on Feb 11 2003 7:04 PM

Uhh, I'm aware of the range of the phoenix and the capabilities of the TOM as a CAP. They coast too much and they are not needed.

The phoenix was never a dogfighting missile, when fired in the Gulf War it missed its Mig-25. The phoenix will go the way of the dodo bird because the threat of bombers against the Fleet is limited. The threat is gone and the SH does better with the upcoming projection that the Navy wants. it may not have the range right now nut constant mods can fix that.
[urlhttp://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/docs/990414-ART-Super-Hornet.htm][/url]


The first stage is denial, the next anger, sooner or later you'll reach acceptance.

Waiting for that letter of signatures. Not being pernicious, I'd reallly like to view it.

"The phoenix was never a dogfighting missile, when fired in the Gulf War it missed its Mig-25."

The AIM-54A was able to shot down Mirage F-1EQ-2/4/5/6s, MiG-21MFs, MiG-23MLs, MiG-23BNs and MiG-25RBs during the Iran Iraq war. Your right on one part, the AIM-54 wll hit you way before the dog fight even starts.

"They coast too much and they are not needed."

Not needed againist what? Rwandan MiG-21MFs. <img src=icon_smile_8ball.gif border=0 align=middle>

So how is the FA-18F better?

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Edited by - troung on Feb 11 2003 8:20 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> The AIM-54A was able to shot down Mirage F-1EQ-2/4/5/6s, MiG-21MFs, MiG-23MLs, MiG-23BNs and MiG-25RBs during the Iran Iraq war.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

I've never heard that, Source?

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Not needed againist what? Rwandan MiG-21MFs. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
What the hell are you talking about?

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>So how is the FA-18F better? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
Your not listening son, I'm not saying its better than the Tomcat in CAP its better for the mission the Navy has forcasted.

Read my link that'll answer your question. If not, I can't have this conversation with you, Troll. In my view your not paying attention and are wasting my time.

This debate is only alive in these forum types. And in the grand scheme of things that is much ado about nothing IMHO.

What's with the the eight balls?

Remember Troung-denial, anger, acceptance. You'll get there sometime.




Edited by - Tritonal on Feb 11 2003 8:38 PM

"I've never heard that? Source?"

http://www.acig.org/

Go there. Go to articles, and then go to Iranian air to air kills

"Read my link that'll answer your question."


I have read articles in magizes and ACIG that counter your source.


"If not, I can't have this conversation with you, Troll"

You can stop anytime you want to. = )

Remember.......
Anger, Denail, and Acceptance
You are mad right now...
2 more steps

"What the hell are you talking about?"

Well seeing as oyu said a 127 mile missile is not needed, what are you planning on fighting with those F/A-18Fs, Somalia? Indonesia? Tunisa? One things for sure the F/A-18F had better stay out of Iran our we will really see which plane is better.





Edited by - troung on Feb 11 2003 8:48 PM