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I just read an Associated Press story in todays local paper that says the Air National Guard states that Bradley will be getting C-21 transports or cargo planes, as stated in the article, come September but doen't say what year. I would guess 2007.

Now I maybe somewhat old school but to me a transport or cargo plane is a C-123, a "Herc" or a version there of. These are no more than coporate jets.

"GLAD TO HAVE BEEN THERE AND HAVE BEEN PROUD TO HAVE SERVERED"

Yup. IIRC the 126th IL ANG is getting the C-21 maintenance contract for the biz jets at Scott AFB.

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30MM, they moving the C-21 to Springfield to replace the F-16'S?
What a Come down.

Must be going to move in more Cargo into Scott AFB and Do the training at Scott and in Bradley.
C-21's have more missions now than Training and TAXI rides for Golf Outtings to Langley.

Goose

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I don't think they're moving, goose. Scuttlebutt is that they'll be expanding the concrete on the Guard side for the -21's that work out of Scott. The good news is that they'll have to move the golf course. The bad news is that they won't be able to do anymore engine run-ups as they tee off on the 14th hole! <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Edited by - 30mike-mike on Jul 27 2006 11:41

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The C-21's at Bradley are a plus-up and scheduled to arrive in September of 06. The A-10's are, at least for the moment, staying. I don't know what the Air Force thinks of dual qual for pilots, that seems to change from year to year so I don't know if there will be additional pilots or those on-board will fly Goose's Teeny Weeny Air Taxis (Goose, I really like that one <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>) .

OC

Some days it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints

The A-10s will be leaving and the C-21s are a "gap filler" to keep a flying mission in CT until the new joint cargo aircraft comes on line in about 2014.

There will be no dual-qualified pilots.

Coach

Is that thecargo plane that hasnt been funded or even designed yet ? yeah ...................they will get those eh lets see, never!

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No Hawg, that's the C-27. The C-21 is a Lear 35, been flying in the Air Force for many years. You're right, it's doubtful the C-27 will ever become reality.

I can, however, tell you I have my travel schedule with the mod team for the next 6 months and it includes Willow Grove and Bradley to mod their whole fleets.

Maybe Dice (or someone else) can shed some light here. Why is the Guard and Reserve doing mods to their aircraft that duplicate what PE is trying to accomplish? Of course, Raytheon's mods work as advertised and it's cheaper by a boatload of money (did I just answer my own question?) And why is it so quiet? It's not classified, Raytheon has their promo sheet everywhere (with a good cockpit pic) and it's approved for public release.

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Some days it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints

wasn't Bradley (CT Government) fighting the BRAC recommendation so they could keep their A-10s, or was that already a lost battle?



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Yeah it was originally going to be CT getting a CERF mission and barnes was going to get Bradley's jets. Then they changed it to the
<img src=newicons/anim_bs.gif border=0 align=middle> plan they have now where we get F-15's and they get Lear 35's untill they never get the C-27. The A-10 will be around there untill 2010 according to one of their flight chief. I think they are still going to keep the CERF mission with the C-21 as a fill in. I have no idea why they would keep maintaners for the lear when there is a Bombardier maintenance facility less than a half mile away. Maybe that is the plan. Keep A-10 maintaners and a CERF facility and get the C-21's but let Bombardier / Lear maintane them. I have no idea.

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When the USAF bought the C-21's we all thought we would be the ones working on them,matter fact when they had the Competetion they let us crawl all over them, We didnt like the LEAR-35's We prefered the
Cessna Citations over the Lear by FAR!
Plus the old "C-21" joke

"HOW DO YOU TELL WHO IS THE PILOT AND WHO'S THE CO-PILOT?????"
THE PILOT TILTS HIS HEAD TO THE RIGHT,THE CO-PILOT TO THE LEFT!<img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle>

The USAF "BOUGHT" really leased them for 10 yrs and it came with the Civiy Maintance Contract<img src=newicons/madani.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/madani.gif border=0 align=middle> PISST US OFF!

I left when the first one came to Scott AFB, Yokota was down on the list. We had 3 plus My AFCC ET-39,Okinawa was "QUEEN BEE" for the
T-39'S" So the PI and Yokota Birds went there for Phase dock..

We got our first C-21'S in December 84 and they were training 1 or 2 GI's to be Flight Mech'S for them only, civilains did the maintance,
and the C-12's came in,the new models went to Okinawa.
So when I left in March of 85 the 2 remaining T-39's where being FERRIED back to the west coast,The ET-39 was left along with our 3 UH1-N Huey's.
They took the FLT and sent most everyone to the "C-130 LINE" and If you extended your assignment you were X-trained to C-130's if you REFUSED TOO, YOU WERE WASHRACK BASTARDS for the rest of your time.
I was the only one who was TIPPED-OFF by one of my old Boss's who was at MPC he told me to "X-CROSS TRAIN FAST" back in Sept 84 thats when I got my A-10 slot and I was sent home "6 months early" I only did 18 months in Japan.

But the way it sounds is the USAF Folks do the Maintance now on the
QUEERS, not contract is that right?

Hey 30mm, I was there when the CINIC MAC Taxied his C-141 to the end of 34 next to the GOLF COURSE , and turned to fast and GOT THE TRASH HAULER STUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I MEAN BLOCKED THE ACCESS ROAD MAINS BURIED TO THE DOORS STUCK!!!!!

The NEWS found out about it came to get pictures but they had CE put up a WALL to block-off view of it and sealed-off the BASE!
RUINED the CHROME GEAR DOORS,SCRATCHED THE PAINT JOB all it was a MESS!

Another one of my "HIGHLIGHTED EVENTS" in my log book.

Goose

I know now for a FACT that Truth is Stranger than Fiction and IT CAN ALWAYS BE WORST!

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- Thomas Jefferson

Old Chief,
The PE lite, (smart monitor) mod is interim fix for the units that are last on the list to get PE. It's another frankenstein project that gives the ANG/AFRES jets better targeting pod capability without having to use the AIM interface. Kinda what suite 2 plus was going to do, but with a new monitor and probably without having to pay LMC a lot of money. People don't like to talk about it, because they are afraid if it works too well it might take away from PE. It should provide better reliability than the AIM for those who might have to deploy without PE. I would compare it to the ANG/AFRES having the money to buy CAVTR and CMS/LARS without having Active duty on board. The ANG/AFRES also have more targetting pods assets that allow them continous year around training, not just AEF prep. I found this link below that has more info about it.

http://www.roa.org/pdf/legislative/af_leg_07.pdf

kungfu

Thanks Kungfu, ya gotta love GREA money. I have to agree this is a bit of a Frankenstein mod only because the written instructions are, shall I say, a little less than specific. With a TCTO you get pictures (I like pictures) for bundle routing and step by step instructions..not the case with this one. We're into our second one now and it's going a lot smoother than the first one..neat system btw.

Now the question that begs to be asked. If the Guard/Reserve jets are no longer the same configuration as the AD, what happens? I know this is a T-1 mod and is supposed to come out when/if the aircraft gets inputed to PE but what happens in the interim? At the rate PE is going, LM is going to be bumping up against the 5 year rule. Depending on which retirement year you use, LM doesn't have a lot of time to complete PE on all the jets..and PE still has issues.

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Old Chief,
You gotta love wiring diagrams written on a cocktail napkin! After seeing this mod installed in the Frankenstein jet 129, I'm not surprised the directions are vague. That jet is not a good base line for mods. It has no common configuration, it's a mess of orange wires! We modeled the orginal Litening T-1 mod from that jet, it's definetely not your garden varitey A-10. Good luck with this new T-1 mod. You guys made it happen with CMS, I'm sure you will work the bugs out of this. It would of been nice to see you guys do the PE installs for the ANG! This new trend with temporary mods instead of TCTO's really hurts the guy on the ground who has to maintain it. Maybe it's not going to be so bad to fixing a different airframe (cough F-15's)!

kungfu

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OC

Some days it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints

Did you say its gonne be nice working on F-15's ? <img src=newicons/anim_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>Yeah I think your right though. Sometimes I think the guys that wrote the A-10 job guides must have been some kind of Amherst art major. "Here are the parts guys, just cut them to fit and put them together. By the way its supposed to look like this when you done"

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Old Chief,
You gotta love wiring diagrams written on a cocktail napkin! After seeing this mod installed in the Frankenstein jet 129, I'm not surprised the directions are vague. That jet is not a good base line for mods. It has no common configuration, it's a mess of orange wires! We modeled the orginal Litening T-1 mod from that jet, it's definetely not your garden varitey A-10. Good luck with this new T-1 mod. You guys made it happen with CMS, I'm sure you will work the bugs out of this. It would of been nice to see you guys do the PE installs for the ANG! This new trend with temporary mods instead of TCTO's really hurts the guy on the ground who has to maintain it. Maybe it's not going to be so bad to fixing a different airframe (cough F-15's)!

kungfu


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I must say I had an enjoyable time doing the acceptance time on 129 when we got it. I know you avionics time had a ball finding all kinds of little trinkets up in the cockpit as well as weapons finding some goodies hanging out in F-10 too.