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PostPosted: 24 Jun 2003, 12:46 
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For years I (and I'm assuming many others also) thought that the record in airspeed was made by the SR-71 (Mach 3+). Being that the Mach 5 Aurora was never unveiled and remains a myth only adds support to the SR-71. But, according to this article, people have actually made controlled flights at over Mach 6. (Mach 6.72, 4530 MPH to be exact.) Check it out:

http://www.acepilots.com/planes/x15.html#top

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I am not a stick actuator by any stretch of da 'magination but it seems to me that there is a difference between a pilot and a passenger.

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The X-15 had a rocket motor...maybe that's why the SR holds the record...I don't know...

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Yeah BG, back when this country could get things done in aerospace, the mickey mouse was cut to the minimum. I was an impressionable child then. The National Geographic magazine had very good articles on the X-15, Mercury and Gemini projects and I couldn't wait to get the next issue. The X-15 had 199 flights, a lot of danger, some loss of life, some broken hardware, and a lot of (apparently obscure to most people) achievements. I guess I don't understand Hawg166's comment. The X-15 wasn't ballistic, it was totally under pilot control, even in space. I think the SR-71 records are for airbreathing engine vehicles that take off and climb under there own power. There's lots of special class records out there. Incredibly, the C-130J holds some currently. The space shuttle probably holds some record for being a Mach 25 glider.

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Yeah BG, back when this country could get things done in aerospace, the mickey mouse was cut to the minimum. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

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He means that political considerations were secondary to actual performance.

Right A-10?

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You mean things actually got done? Amazing!

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He means that political considerations were secondary to actual performance.

Right A-10?
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Roger that.

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That's funny, cause nowadays, if GWB said he'd put a person on Mars in 10 years, they wouldn't be able to decide on a staff to buy donuts for three and a half years.

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He means that political considerations were secondary to actual performance.

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Naw, blame it on the bureaucRATS. BG Chuck Yeager has remarked more than a few times, in today's environment he could never have flown the X-1 supersonic. Chuck had his engineer SWAG it some if he could take off in the X-1, hit supersonic, and really piss off the Navy. He did and slow rolled the bird in front of the Navy.

This was back in the days of slide rules and thinking. Now how far along is the Raptor and high speed computers? ROFL.

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Um, what's a SWAG?

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The Kennedy speech got us to the moon, but I always felt it did irrepairable harm to aerospace research in the US.

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...This was back in the days of slide rules and thinking. Now how far along is the Raptor and high speed computers? ROFL.

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Thats funny you talk about "slide rules" at a briefing I gave Monday our Col. talked about "the old days" and developing aircraft the old fashioned way with "slide rules" and not some "damn computer" as he put it...

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Thats funny you talk about "slide rules" at a briefing I gave Monday our Col. talked about "the old days" and developing aircraft the old fashioned way with "slide rules" and not some "damn computer" as he put it...

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Not many pilots ever fly without a circular slide rule. NACA actually had most of the rules of aero in place long before NASA. Puters are very helpful. No doubt Burt Rutan uses them and his brain.

SWAG=sciencitifc wild ass guess.

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Right. Thankx.

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