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PostPosted: 21 Oct 2005, 20:39 
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EB-52
This idea has bin around for some time now.
New article on this on C4ISRjurnal

http://www.isrjournal.com/story.php?F=1166029

It looks like the Airforce has finally come to the conclusion that airplanes like Airtankers, AWACS, and JSTARS can be vulnerable to enemy fighters but especially at risk to long range Surface to Air Missiles like the S-300 and S-400 (S-400 has two missiles the long range missiles with 420km range)

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Yeah, just ask author Dale Brown!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Flight of the Old Dog. Yea I used to love reading his books until I started working the flight line. Can't stand all the Acronyms he misuses now, though.


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Yeah. Technical Poetic License, I think it's called.

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hay this is just out


- The U.S. Air Force is likely to cancel a competition to add electronic warfare capabilities to the B-52 bomber, a program estimated to be worth up to $3 billion, defense analyst Loren Thompson of the Lexington Institute said on Tuesday.

Northrop Grumman Corp. (NOC.N: Quote, Profile, Research) and a team comprised of Boeing Co. (BA.N: Quote, Profile, Research) and Britain's BAE Systems Plc (BA.L: Quote, Profile, Research) have been competing for the contract, which was expected to have an initial value of about $250 million.

Thompson, who advises many defense firms and has close ties to Air Force leaders, said he had learned the program would be scrapped, given concerns about the basic concept of having jamming equipment aboard the relatively slow B-52.

But one industry executive, who asked not to be named, characterized the expected Air Force action as a delay of the program, rather than an outright cancellation.

"This will buy them some time," said the executive, noting mounting pressure on the Air Force and other services to cut spending plans for fiscal 2007.

The program would fit 16 Air Force's B-52 long-range bombers, which date back to the 1960s, with two outboard wing pods with powerful radar-jamming gear that could disrupt enemy defenses from far-off distances.

Canceling the program would save the Air Force money in the short term at a time when it is under severe pressure to cut its budget, Thompson said, although he said the Air Force would eventually have to develop new jamming capabilities.

The Air Force, which had expected to award a contract for the program this month, had no immediate comment, nor did officials at Boeing or Northrop.

Air Force Chief of Staff Michael Moseley last month said the service could "kill" certain programs in the current budget environment, given the war in Iraq and disaster relief efforts in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. He gave no details.

Scheduling issues forced the postponement of a September Defense Acquisition Board (DAB) meeting on the B-52 Stand-off Jammer that would have paved the way for a contract award, but no new date for a meeting has been set, a spokeswoman said.

The Air Force had hoped to put the updated B-52s into operation by 2014, when the Navy is due to retire its EA-6B Prowlers, which have the main responsibility for radar-jamming for the U.S. military now.

Thompson said current Air Force leaders would prefer to put the radar-jamming equipment on a smaller, more agile aircraft that could fly into a battle along with its stealthy new Lockheed Martin Corp. (LMT.N: Quote, Profile, Research) F/A-22 fighter jets.

He said the Air Force also told the Pentagon's quadrennial defense review the service could not afford to buy any more Boeing C-17 transport planes beyond the 180 already planned.

"When you add up all the planned cuts, it looks like every production line currently building fixed-wing aircraft for the military is likely to close over the next five years," Thompson wrote in a recent report.

Spokesman Doug Karas said the Air Force had a current requirement for 180 C-17s, although it was in the process of assessing its future transport requirements.

He said an August request for proposals on "follow-on buy options" did not commit the Air Force to buy any more C-17s, but could help it get ready if the Pentagon opted to buy more

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PostPosted: 21 Dec 2005, 21:08 
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Stupid airforce excuse

"given concerns about the basic concept of having jamming equipment aboard the relatively slow B-52."

The EA-6B is also slow and we use it!!!
That is all we had in Kosovo!!!
And the EB-52 can Loiter for much more time, and can be used for every thing.
EB-52 was supposed to be logical and cheap.
EF-35 Idea has bin thrown around, but currently the Pentagon wants to Cancel the F-35A.


CRAZY THOUGHT>>>
THE F-22 has an ASEA radar that can do unbelievable stuff
So How about converting a B-52 into a fire breathing, multiple Directed Energy Weapons platform? : )
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We're only using the EA-6B cause that's all we have, it cant keep up with Hornet strike packages. The B-52 is a HUGE RADAR target and with SAM systems like the S-400 approaching 200miles in range and with HOJ systems getting more sophisticated it gets less and less attractive. The AESA RADARs in the F-15s F-18s F-22s and F-35s will likley do thier own jamming in each flight while others do the Nav and others finding targets. AESA can do ALL those and more ALL at the same time but with low power for each mode. If one or two particular planes concentrate on jamming and spoofing they might have enough power to do the job for the overall lower RCS package of planes. The 22s and 35s wont even need jamming till they are right on top of the SAMs anyway.

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What we should really do is buy back the EF-111 and not get rid of them until another assest can accually do the same job.


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Though I Fly Through the Valley of
Death ... I Shall Fear No Evil. For I
am at 80,000 Feet and Climbing!
(Sign over the entrance to the old SR-71 operating base
Kadena,
Japan).

When I was Flying 15's at Kadena this sign is still there. All though it has been moved around from time to time.

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What we should really do is buy back the EF-111 and not get rid of them until another assest can accually do the same job.


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The aussies have worn them out. They got shot down in their own parliment for doing Upgrades and retrofitting. Their parliment is supporting the F35., They have strategic Threats from Indonesia. With a force flying Su27's

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We're only using the EA-6B cause that's all we have, it cant keep up with Hornet strike packages. The B-52 is a HUGE RADAR target and with SAM systems like the S-400 approaching 200miles in range and with HOJ systems getting more sophisticated it gets less and less attractive. The AESA RADARs in the F-15s F-18s F-22s and F-35s will likley do thier own jamming in each flight while others do the Nav and others finding targets. AESA can do ALL those and more ALL at the same time but with low power for each mode. If one or two particular planes concentrate on jamming and spoofing they might have enough power to do the job for the overall lower RCS package of planes. The 22s and 35s wont even need jamming till they are right on top of the SAMs anyway.

A 9mm MAY expand, but a 45 will NEVER shrink!
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Yes and no.

Weasels are a prepositioned route package asset. The Jammers Like the prowler are the same and are joint service aircrews. Split Navy/AF/Marine.

We dont need ingress and Egress jammer packages as we have assets since the gulf war that can Jam a very large region.

The threat today is not so much in the radar energy spectrum but in the IR and optical tracking.

As a Fighter pilot you are less concerned about the site that is pinging you. You can plan around that. Be more concerned about the Optical/IR site that is tracking you passively.

Of all the assets to get shot down in the past 15 years. They were all IR or Optical systems.

The sites will typically stay on long enought to get range. altitude, and heading. then hand it over to the passive systems.

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The EF-111's are still in the boneyard at D-M. There is no need to buy them back, if the AF wanted them back they could get them easliy. The aussies bought the straight F-111 and the FB's when they were offered up.

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I think Oz took the Cs that England refused due to doubts about the wing box.

A 45 has a muzzle.
A 9mm has a bullet vent.

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