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Okay. I know alot of you are saying that the object in question looks alot like the XR-7 Testor model, and I definantly agree. Secondly, I'm not sure how he got so many different angles on the aircraft. It seems like that second image of the black triangular undercarriage was like a money shot that would indeed leave no question it was the Aurora (as the aircraft has been widely rumored to have a sharp delta shape). I also agree with the other folks here that judge the validity of the photos because of no back story or any type of explanation as to how they were obtained. Boomer coming out and making some crazt statement about the "feds" or any other type of organization getting in contact with him is just plain BS. If Boomer had only posted that first pic that captures the back side at an angle, I might be inclined to believe him, but those other 3 leave some major questions for me to consider. I blew the photos up on Photoshop 7.0 and still wasn't able to say definantly fake or not but I'm still guessing that as much as I would like for them to be real, they're probably not. Anyhow Boomer, I'll give you this man, (if they are fakes) their pretty damn good ones, especiall that first photo. Take care guys. Also, I think someone contacted Jane's. Let's see what they have to say.

Is it only to me, or are the tail fins of that plane painted in a different color than the rest of it's surface. (you can see it in one of the photos).
So.Mr.Boomer built that R/C model or 'normal'model with nylon strings,
everything is like everyone expects Aurora to be, BUT he did not paint all of the plane in black. STRANGE.Very strange to me.THAT little detail would make it a genius fake in my opinion.
Otherwise it is a good argument, that that plane was not built by 'BOOMER WORKS':-)
Damn thing is, for every argument, you can bring up a contrary one, unless more information is provided by someone.
Anyway, THANKS Mr Boomer for making your lives a little more interesting, if only for a moment !!

First, you can probably believe Boomer when he says someone asked him to put a lid on it, cause i have been 'advised' to do the same(After i sent these photo's to janes).

Now 'you' can think we are both full of it. And you are perfectly entitled to, but it doesn't mean you are right- at least in my case.

Sorry i got you more attention than you bargained for Boomer. My appologies.

Shade1, i did send you an email on your Yahoo account. Please contact me via e-mail once you recieve it.

Here is the link to the World naval forums board.

http://pub94.ezboard.com/fnavalforumfrm2

We just started recently(i'm a mod there), and are looking for new members(its free), so please take time to join while you are there.
We need more well informed posters there.

Thx.

"US Snipers-Providing surgical strikes since 1776"

Edited by - m21 sniper on Oct 09 2002 7:31 PM

Gentlemen,

Perhaps those of you who visit ACIG.org or the AFM board might know me. I have been an occasional reader here but refrained from posting since i already spend way too much valuable time at the other boards. But since Boomer´s pictures have also appeared on AFM and i´ve left some comments there, i think it´s fair for you guys here to post them here as well.

- The bogie main gear looks good, but the canopy coloring is strange. I would have expected it to have either gold, green or another covering to stealthify it somewhat.
- Those straight-up tailfins contradict one of the main laws of Stealth: don´t use 90° angles.
- The same goes for the engines mounted under the wing/fuselage.
- The picture is definately taken either early in the morning or in the evening, judging from the light. This would cause the red shimmer on the tailfin. Just think about it yourself if these light circumstances are beneficiary when photographing nylon-hung models or not.
- The different angles from which the pics are taken is strange too. Considering Boomer´s statement that the pics were taken with a "1000mm lense" (which i find rather suspect with the last set of sharp pics, since such lenses usually need a lot of light and i´m not really sure if a low-sun would provide that. Also, with a 1000mm lense the pictures would have to be taken from places quite far in between as i don´t think an experimental aircraft like that would fly short&sharp circuits in Singaporean Skyhawk-style. Both the long lense and the mobility of the photographer IMHO suggests an avid thrill-seeking plane spotter/photographer. Although i only occasionally read this, i didn´t get that impression from Boomer.


Regards,

Arthur

Edited by - Arthur on Oct 09 2002 11:58 PM

I've seen this several times:

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And I though I'd point something out. Tailless delta wing aircraft usually don't use flaps. Why? Think about it...any downward deflection of a control surface is going to cause a nose-down pitch.

Ted

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Well Boomer didn´t say that this isn´t a model attached to a nylon string so far, he only said that he took these pics, leaving the possibility fully open that they´re of a model after all

Glad to see I'm not the one who caused all the commotion this time!

It may be that your sole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.

But are the engines running, from the one picture it looks like one is shut down? <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle> That is the question...or maybe the shudder spead is causing all this confussion? <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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I blew the images up on Adobe Photoshop 7.0 and can somewhat make out a very small bulge on the top in the rear of the cockpit/backside of the craft. This may or may not be where a thin nylon, or monophyllimate, line may be attached. I think they are fakes personally. I sent them out to a well known authority on the subject and he saw the same. In return, he sent them to a few experts. I'll let you know what the results are. This guy said he was 80% sure they are fakes, and he's seen alot of the real thing. - Chris

which photo can you see this in?

shadeone

Take a look at the third pic, the one that shows a complete side view of the aircraft. Blow the pic up and tell me what you see st the very back of the aircraft, just a little before you hit the actual middle of thr craft. It's right in that area. Also if you can, blow up the first image and you can see it there too. I could be wrong, but one way or another those are fakes. How did he get so many different angles? Maybe the crew posed for him. Use your head dude, if only that first pic had been posted, I might have believed it. The Aurora, more than likely, wouldnt be making a turn in such a manner anyways. It would be MUCH wider due to high speed travel, even if it was only cruising. Read up on some Aerospace Tech man, the facts are there and this ain't the real deal. But once again I'm no expert, I'll let you know when I'm contacted by others reviewing the photos now.

well just to let you guys know and to see waht other people are saying, here are quick-links to al teh other forum threads around the internet that i know of where these pictures are being discussed:

http://www.dreamlandresort.com/forum/messages/6267.html

http://pub165.ezboard.com/fwarships1dis ... 1151.topic

http://pub94.ezboard.com/fnavalforumfrm ... D=96.topic

http://forums.military.com/1/OpenTopic? ... 2891993595

http://forums.military.com/1/OpenTopic? ... 3991993595

http://forums.military.com/1/OpenTopic? ... 4891993595

http://forums.military.com/1/OpenTopic? ... 9591904595

shadeone

p.s. if you know of any more, please post them...

Why do all these picyures look to have different landing gear (one pic looks to have the "Mig-31" main gear and the other looks to have F-18 gear
Cheers
AirForceJeff

Hello,

These new pictures showed up on Rense.com, and I would like to add some new ones:

<img src="http://www.animateclay.com/deletelater1.jpg" border=0>

<img src="http://www.animateclay.com/deletelater2.jpg" border=0>

These are definitely fakes. In Photoshop I did several things to make them stand out. I first went to image/adjust/auto levels. Then I bumped the sharpness up with the sharpen filter. Then I changed the brightness/contrast.

Here are some other things that caught my attention.

1: Boomer did not respond in this forum. And you know he probably won't.
2: all the different angles are hard enough to get even in an air show.
3: Why are the images cropped so funny? Why aren't there background trees/houses or anything? Only if your trying to hide something will you do that.
4: Why are there nylon/fishing lines that are visible in the images?5: Why so little information? Why not say something like - I was on my porch when this plane flew over and I had my camera? If your a hoaxer you just say as little as possible and watch the reactions pour into boards like this. I am sure he gets satisfaction when people say it is the real thing/I am going to post these in my magazine etc.
6: Do you think they are going to fly this in daylight over your house back and forth to take nice pictures? I doubt it

Well there you have it. They are fakes.

Marc

yes they probably are fakes but the goverment aproached him and snipe and told them to drop it , bit sus IMHO

indeed, indeed, indeed

Ok here,

Is another image where the nylon string can be visible.

<img src="http://www.animateclay.com/deletelater3.jpg" border=0>

As far as a retired government worker saying its not a good idea to post the pic's, isn't that what any patriotic person would say? And Janes would say the same thing because they know secrets are kept for a reason. But it doesn't mean it is real because of that. It sounds like boomer said that so he could cop out of answering any questions. He is just going to "drop the subject" but of course he will leave up the images.

Analizing the images, photographic equipment, and doing research can prove it is fake/real. Looking for models in boomers basement, or testors paints/glue/air brush/compressor/thinner etc. would help. A glance from a person working for Janes will not mean instantly it is real because they say not to post it.

Boomer likes air craft by the # of posts he put up on these boards. He is a likely candidate to build a model plane. There are lots of people who like UFO's and build models for hoax images too.

Here are some questions that would help verify if they are real. 1: where were the images taken? What kind of camera? Lens? F-Stop? Time of day? What kind of scanner? Can someone come to your home and examine the photos?

The main problem I have is boomer hasn't answered questions openly since the start. Plus the strings to me show its fake. It's a common trick for anyone who knows how they made films like the original Star Wars movies. Information on scratch building kits is openly availible on the net: http://www.starshipmodeler.com/tech/techmain.htm#howto

Marc

I looked,

At Boomers profile, he lives in Missouri. The air force base he would live near if he actually does is: http://www.whiteman.af.mil/ Or Lambert airport where Boeing is located.

Marc

Ok,

This is my last post - honest. I can't sleep so I am doing a little more looking. I can't believe I didn't notice this when I saw it:

http://www.rense.com/general30/pht.htm

The person who sent Jeff the pictures said this:

"Photos Of Advanced
Stealth Or Aurora?
10-10-2

The following four images were found on a Chinese website and forwarded to us for possible identification. Please send in any pertinent information... "

Chinese website? Okay, how does that fit into the mystery? Send in pertinent information? What did this person expect as a reply?

Marc

Thanks Animate. I didn't really even need to go through all that on Photoshop to tell they were fakes. All I did was blow them up and the strings were quite visible to me. I did however darken and sharpen the pics for a better look. Shadeone, so where does that leave us now? And by the way folks, I HIGHLY doubt Whiteman AFB has the facilities needed to house an aircraft with the demands of a mach 3+ aircraft, (i.e. runway), for one example. And you can walk right up to the fences at Whiteman and get a good look at anything flying in and out, not exactly a sister base to Groom if you catch my drift.



Edited by - Chris_H on Oct 11 2002 09:24 AM

clay I'm specifically taking your name down cause you're going to look so foolish at the end of next week!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
strings!! NOW who's faking???


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Edited by - boomer on Oct 11 2002 09:28 AM

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well im no longer going one way or the other with these photos. all of my opinions no longer exist as i will wait till boomer releases more info... so THERE!! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

allthough i am laughing at anyone who thinks this is a "ducted fan R/C model!

shadeone

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Just have to say one thing about this pic: how would the model be balanced, if it was hanging by a string attached at that point? Have the nose poured full of lead?

Ted

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