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your wrong there was no JOKE,I just didnt fess up to everyones assumtions right away. And the mag knew ALL about it as soon as they expressed an interest and I suppose are quite happy about how it unfolded.

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The model in the photo is actually an Aurora model kit. It was manufactured by a company called 'Testors'. As far as I am aware, they only manufactured 2 kits. This, and the B2 Spirit. The Aurora model came as a 2 part set. A launch aircraft that looked like a Blackbird, and the Aurora itself. Ill try to get pics of my model kit. (looks exactly the same, cept that mine has USAF transfers on it)

or you could just go here:

http://www.testors.com/

and look through the hundreds or thousands of kits Testors has produced over what 4 decades or more?

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<img src="C:\Documents and Settings\labuser\Desktop\aurora.jpg" border=0>

Taken from this site, plus various other contrails...

http://www.cazekiel.org/kimber.htm

"In life there are two constants: the universe and human stupidity... and i'm not sure about the universe" - Albert Einstein.

Another contrail:

<img src="C:\Documents and Settings\labuser\Desktop\contrail.jpg" border=0>



"In life there are two constants: the universe and human stupidity... and i'm not sure about the universe" - Albert Einstein.

Alright.

Does anyone think the government might be trying to make a "Space Jet" that can fly to the moon and back, then fly around the world at mach 10/11/12 ?

Or am I in dreamland?

I know it sounds too 'sci-fi', but looking at the past, the government had contraptions made that the public thought was impossible many years ago, so who's to say that they don't have the same today?

dont know about the moon and back, but yes spaceplane development is alive and well and OLD. Do a net search for someting called the Sanger project, most people are blown away when they find out about that one.
welcome to the board SpecOp !

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They've also been working on the 'TAV' for ages.
Basicly another spaceplane program. I think it got axed a few years back, but they have another program now for the same thing.

Who knows what they've got that we don't even have a clue about.

Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

electrostatic gravity warping fields, for instance.

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<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> LOL Assumption is a mother F*&^%$ on the Net!

aliensporebomb...LOL another Conspiracy wacko. Lol we have a hard enmough time filling Fighter billets..lol yet we have all this resource to fill the "Black Ops Cockpits."<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

LOL another movie cliche'. I'll se it and raise you something those responsible for holding my leash told me about the word assume. "When you assume, you make an a** out of u, and me".

These conspiracy guys are funny, at least the one from Invader Zim is..gotta love Dib, who's supposed to be the hero.

I also liked those aliens from taken last night. Abducting that WW2 Bomber Crew. Morphing into Nazi's, and just laying that machine gun on the floor by one, as if they didn't take time to observe these guys, thier weapons and enemies.

Picture one landing in Washington D.C. And taking the form of bin Laden to blend in with humans.

H-Boys

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Luna, were you aware that Invader Zim is a member of WT?

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Yes I saw that SN. It's not hard to imagine that shows brand of humor is liked among servicemen. <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Swingin' my swords and I'm all up on the ceilin'
I'm a Ninja, throw drop kicks chop necks, stab you like sabu, grab you, have at you

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where'd that come from?

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Hi, i'm young but i have a dad that was in the army. He told me about the Aurora, i thought he had made it up until i came here . Look up the mag. "Svientific American", I think it's the 1980s. If that helps.

i couldnt find anything about project sanger apart from human genome stuff

indeed, indeed, indeed

Nothing but a clever cover story surely

Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

indeed

but snipe what is project sanger really about hmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!

indeed, indeed, indeed

I thought that Project Sanger was the European version of the NASP?

Ted

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when Eugene Sanger was working for the Nazis, he came up with a proposal for a GLOBAL skip bomber. It was like a modern jet airplane in looks with a rocket in its tail. It was to be boosted into a suborbital trajectory with a conventional booster rocket, then upon reaching the edge of space it would dive back towards Earth and "skip" off of the denser atmosphere and back up to a higher altitude where it would again dive back and "skip" off. When nessessary it would fire its rocket to increase its speed, to keep all this going. It would have carried a Nuclear bomb in a central bay in the body, and could have hit any city on any continent. And returned for a landing in Germany. REMEMBER this was ALL back in the 1940s <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

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i think i have heard of it auctually

indeed, indeed, indeed

Hi, I'm a new member and happened upon this thread after checking out some A-10 vids at the college library. I have followed the whole thread and hope that I can shed some light on various aspects of this debate. First of all, I would like to say that if (infact) this is a hoax that Snipe and Boomer shouldn’t be proud of themselves. Misinformation is dangerous in this world, especially when it comes to foreign affairs, things are kept secret for a reason. I only hope that you have maintained your sense of integrity. Humor me for a second, Snipe & boomer, are you former/current military? Anyway, here are some thoughts.

1. LANDING --There have been many questions posed as to how these pictures were obtained from more than one angle. This is a simple question to answer...asuming the pictures are authentic, the aircraft was obviously in a decent entering the landing pattern. Depending on speed and attitude the aircraft may have had to circle a couple times to land appropriately (I once attended an airshow where an F-117 had to circle 4 times to land because he mis-judged his approach angle and had to consider runway length).

2. LOCATION-- If this picture was infact taken near Whiteman AFB, it is widely known that Whiteman is home to slealth aircraft and it wouldn't surprise me if they decided to temprorily house an experimental (or operational) program there.

3. FLAPS -- Boomer theoritically could have taken the pictures before the aircraft lowered its flaps.

4. UCAV -- SataN gave you a URL to Popular Science where you have an article about the UCAV (Un-manned Combat Air Vehicle)... this is a project currently being tested by the military (it was on a number of Discovery Wings Channel documentaries)... the UCAV is actually smaller than any conventional fighter, about the size of a Predator and smaller than Global Hawk. The UCAV has no relation to reconnaisance as it is predominately a fighter aircraft. (Most of the regulars here probably already know that, thought I’d add it in anyway.)

5. CONTROL SURFACES -- Like the B-2 (based at Whiteman AFB) the "aircraft" may have small elevons (combination of elevators and ailerons) which are regulated by computers to keep the aircraft stable... given the attitude of the aircraft in the pictures (they were mostly in straight and level flight) it would be hard to see any control surfaces (as they would be at the rear of the aircraft).

6. POWER PLANT-- The Aurora is rumored to use an Ion-Pulse type engine which is vastly different than anything we have seen before. However testing an aircraft that can fly Mach 5+ would be very hazardous to flights crews and would cause multiple sonic booms... Maybe the government is using an alternate form of propulsion that we haven't seen before .. in a more likely case.. the aircraft uses Ramjet technology (which requires the aircraft to be at incredibly high speeds for the engines to ignite) and other forms of convential technology. Either way it would be naive to presume that the goverment isn't testing aircraft that are capable of high-altitude recon and trans-atmospheric navigation. A few examples are the X-37, X-40, and X-43. (check out www.fas.org ->x-planes).

-No exhaust or any kind of light emissions are visible on the undercarriage photo of the aircraft...this is highly unusual but the aircraft may have essentially been idling his engine (or inputting it at a very low power setting).

7. For those of you criticizing boomer (if infact he is telling the truth), maintaining anonymity and confidentiality is paramount for him at this point...which is probably why his profile is basically non-existent, I can’t say I blame him.

Well, I have to say I’m on the fence on this one. Some of the photoshop evidence that I have seen seems pretty convincing...making me highly skeptical of the situation. But, as mentioned, scratching, distortion, or various contrails may be to blame. Either way, I've written most of this because I want to believe that these are authentic photos. If they're not, oh well!!! I think that acrimony and flooding don't belong in forums. It will be interesting to see what develops.

Hope the input was helpful.

-Buzz


"The cost of peace is eternal vigilance".

Edited by - buzz2182 on Jan 09 2003 7:53 PM

Edited by - buzz2182 on Jan 09 2003 7:57 PM

GOSH! And I thought it was common knowledge that the "Aurora" was built by McDonnell Douglas and used the RBCC engines McD were reasearching in the early 1980s <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>, oh well live and ...learn? BTW Marquardt published a paper in 1976 describing an RBCC style engine with a thrust to weight ratio of 25-1! And as far as I know, McD is the only metal bender that had already tested in flight re-fueling with liquid Methane, and said it presented no fundamental problems.

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I'm still mixed up on the issue. I like to remain neutral in situations like this, because there were cases in the past where people totally doubted the authenticity of a certain thing, and then later on they were proven wrong; There were instances where others thought a certain thing was real, and later on they were proven wrong. So I find it best to remain neutral on this issue. If it's real, then so be it, cool; But if it's fake, I won't lose sleep over it. No offense to you Boomer, I just hope you understand my posititon on this issue, considering what I mentioned up above. <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

A litte off-topic here, I hope no one minds...(?)...

Well, I was just about to post on how I was now skeptical about the U.S. really having a Mach 6+ jet because of the failure they had with the X-43A Scramjet that could go Mach 7-10. Well, it wasn't really a 'failure' in the technical sense, it veered off-course and started going toward the direction of the city, and they probably didn't want to risk it crashing on the populated area, so they blew it up for saftey reasons. But then I remembered, it's UNMANNED. Since UAV's are becoming popular, I guess the U.S. is trying to make a hypersonic UAV!! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

So that almost totally destroyed my skepicism on that issue. I still have a little skepticism, but it's about 10% compared to 90% belief in them having one.

And again, we had a jet that could mach 3+ in late 50's, early 60's: The SR-71 Blackbird!!! So who's to say 40 years later (ALOT can happen in 40 years) we don't have something like the Aurora, which people think can go mach 6+? Which is not illogical to think at all! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Boomer,

Thanks for the input on RBCC, usefull information. You can minus out the patronical tone though, especially when I am trying to support your position Thanks again for the info.

-Buzz

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"The cost of peace is eternal vigilance".

Edited by - buzz2182 on Jan 09 2003 10:16 PM

for those of you out there who ARE skepticle as to the existance of "Aurora", I was wondering if you have any explanation as to the spotting of the delta shape by that former plane spotter when he was on board a drill rig in the North Sea?

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