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Me and Sniper came up with this. Why stop at givng the F-14 a crappy replacment.

F/B-18F to replace B-52, B-1B and B-2

Slower and less agile, less payload than any of these, but much more modern.

VFA-18F to replace Air Force 1 (Air Force 18)

CFA-18F to replace C-130, C-141, C-17 and C-5

OF-18F to replace the O-2

ACF-18F to replace AC-130

Slower but newer.

KF/A-18F to replace all KC-135s, KC-707s and KC-130s

RF-18F to replace the void left by the SR-71

M/A-18F to replace M-1A1, M-2/3, M-113 and M-109

Finally faster than somehting it will replace.

F/M-18F for spec ops support replacing the MD-530, MH-60, MH-47 and MC-130

EFA-18F to replace the E-2C/T and E-3 (think super hornet with a big radar on its back)

F/T-18F to replace all trainers

F/U-18F to replce U-2 spy planes

F/AH-18F to replace AH-64D and AH-1W

F/CH-18F to replace V-22, CH-47, UH-60 and Bell 212

SF-18F to replace all S-3 and P-3 for matirime partol

FAV-18F to replace the AV-8B

F/A-18FAG to replace all AEGIS ships

EF-18G to replace the EA-6

F/A-18F to replace F-15C/E

F/A-18E to replace the F-16 and A-10

Ok just joking on the last 3.







Edited by - troung on Feb 11 2003 4:17 PM

Edited by - troung on Feb 11 2003 4:18 PM

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I can't think of a single ommision Troung, excellent job.



Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

WAIT!!!!

You forgot about the shuttle replacement, the STS-18!



Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

I knew I forgot one...........

Fine......

SSF-18F to replace the Nuke Subs.

I see the humour(or lack there of<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>)

However, the days of the thoroughbred fighter are DEAD.
These are no the NcNamarra days, technology has caught up that you don't comprimise anything with a multi-role aircraft.



Edited by - Tritonal on Feb 11 2003 6:13 PM

Um, you mean like the F-22?

Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

I'm not saying one plane per role, but make the multi role planes good at what thye do.

Yes, I mean the F/A-22

I knew someone would counter with that example<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

BTW the SH with 4 tanks and a "buddy pod" holds MORE fuel than a KA-6D with 5 tanks and the internal hose reel kit, and stilll has room for 6-8 missles,pods, bombs.

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The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.

Thats looks cool for a photo shot on the ground.........In fact Horrido has a good shot of a B-1B with AIM-54's. It doesn't mean much if the Super Hornet can't take a cat shot with that ordanance load, or has to dump it in the drink to trap.

If you are not having fun, you are not doing it right!

"BTW the SH with 4 tanks and a "buddy pod" holds MORE fuel than a KA-6D with 5 tanks and the internal hose reel kit, and stilll has room for 6-8 missles,pods, bombs."

And has more drag than a 57 chevy. What do you think the range of an F-18E with all that crap hung on it is going to be?

I got a hint: Not far

The F-18E does NOT have nearly the range/loiter of a KA-6D either.

Compared to the S-3B it isn't even close in regard to range/loiter.

The A-6E/TRAM f returned to the fleet tommorow is a better medium bomber than the F-18E.
The range, payload, and integrated TRAM turret of the Intruder is NOT matched by the F-18E, and is BARELY(If it even is) matched by the F-14D.

Not producing the A-6F was a bigger mistake than retiring the F-14D, if you ask me.

Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

Edited by - m21 Sniper on Feb 12 2003 02:36 AM

"Yes, I mean the F/A-22"

The A is a political tool to get by congress, everyone knows that.

"I knew someone would counter with that example"

The F-22 was designed purely as the ULTIMATE air supremacy fighter(in fact it is the only aircraft in the world with that mission role- everything else is air superiority).

I do not know of even one compromise in the F-22's design that sacrifices any ACM capability for ground attack ability.

The F-22 is a THOROUGHBRED of the 1st order.



Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

Tritonal:
Multi-mission means multi compromise. Technology can get you an acceptable compromise, but a dedicated mission design will always kick the multi-missions butt at the design point. Read snipe's comments about the A-6 vs. the F-18E. The 30 year old point design bomb truck is still better at bomb hauling that than the gee whiz F-18E. But hey, it can go supersonic when clean, its got that going for it.
We have this crazy configuration of the F-22 where it is carrying 8 fireable missiles internally, 4 600 gal tanks externally and, get this, 8 non-fireable missiles carried on the sides of the pylons. We call it the C-22 configuration. The consensus here is that it is nuts to use the fighter to ferry its own reloads into theater, but they know best.

Mc/I + P/A

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Snipe I guess it depends on WHEN you count the F-22 as begining, because the ATF contract RFP had AG in it from the very start.

Stress, I'm aware of that F-22 config, and thought it was one of the dumbest things I have seen!! why not just lengthen the pylons a VERY little and let it carry external AMRAAMS AND tanks for 2nd day air dominance missions!! Even with external stores nothing could touch it!!

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The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.

I agree boomer, that it was an original design requirement, however every time there was a decision to be made as to whether to favor ACM or mudd moving, the ACM consideration was the #1 priority.

The F-22 is a COMPROMISED strike fighter, but an uncompromised air supremacy fighter.

Similar to the F-15C, which can actually carry bombs, but only as a very secondary and never exploited capability.

Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

haha I know what you mean.
It's actually funny, the F-22s AG caps are being touted for politicle reasons. And the F-15 (which has always had a somewhat robust AG capability(ask the Irealites LOL) was proffered as "not a pound for air to ground" LOL. wonder if I can find that pic on the net somewhere?

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The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.

Yup, my point exactly.

The difference between a Air superiority fighter and a strike fighter is software and a few hardpoints.

The difference between a strike fighter and a air superiority fighter is HUGE.

Did i say that right? What i mean is that you can take a dominating ACM platform, add bombs and software and have a credible(at least) strike fighter, but not the other way around.



Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

that's always how I felt it should be done Snipe, start with the ATA reqs, it's a much more difficult set of problems to deal with, THEN you can add AG.

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The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.

the c-18 to replace the c-130







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the cvf-18 to replace aircraft carriers

i got a bad feeling about this

LOL, good to see you in the spirit JSF

Long distance- The next best thing to being there.

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The F-22 <i>was</i> a thoroughbred of the 1st order. But, I see your point.








Edited by - Tritonal on Feb 13 2003 4:33 PM

the m18 howitzer
AKA
kamakaze hornet fired out of the iowa's 16inch barels


i got a bad feeling about this

Now THAT would be a cool Hornet JSF.



Long distance- The next best thing to being there.

thanx

i got a bad feeling about this