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Hello Gentlemen.

I am a naturalized Chinese American. (raised in the USA). I am in my junior year at my state university and is seriously considering entering the US armed forces with a masters degree within 2 years. My primary considerations are the Marine Corps or the Airforce.

To make a long story short, I want to serve this great nation and do my part to protect the rights and freedom we enjoy today as Americans.

I would like some feedback from military officers and enlisted personnel who have served in the US armed forces about discrimination regarding race\ethnicity especially toward Chinese-Americans. I have visited some military websites and noticed intense hostility between former US veterens and Chinese enthusiasts. Furthermore I have witnessed attacks against Chinese-Americans such as "Chi-Com" and attacks mostly by Non-Americans who have accused Americans of Chinese ethnicity to not be "real Americans".

My concern is the hostility between the two camps based on racial\ethnic basis or on ideological basis?

In your personal view are Chinese with US citizenship real Americans?

How would you feel serving with a Chinese-American officer?

Please be ruthlessly frank about this issue. I appreciate your feedback immensely. Personally I have been especially impressed by former US marines who have acted with a great deal of professional courtesy, dignity and respect in the face of personal attacks.

BTW for those who wonder: Although I view China in a favorable light.
I am 100% Loyal to America. I am prepared to fight and die in order to protect all American Citizens, Territories and the US constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic.






Edited by - Warrior on Sep 24 2003 10:27 PM

Warrior,

I went through Marine Corps OCS, and as far as I'm concerned, a Marine is a Marine. There was one officer candidate in my platoon who was Chinese-American, but to everyone he was an American. He was good-to-go. Hope this helps.

I disliked all 2LT's equally, so there is no problem there.

What is a real American anyway? Except for the 43 native americans left on reservations, we're all imports.

Chi-COM is just an abbreviation for Chinese Communist, not a slur or insult. It is a US military approved term.

In US controlled fighting positions, everyone is just an American.
We all die the same, and all too easily.

"If we are not victorious, let no man return alive."

Gen George S. Patton

Edited by - m21 sniper on Sep 25 2003 2:09 PM

I will say though, i don't know how you can..

A) View china in a favorable light

B) Join the Marines when you can actually form complete sentences.

"If we are not victorious, let no man return alive."

Gen George S. Patton

the "Native Americans" arnt any more native than anyone else, just a question of when you want to start the clock running.

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Everyone,

Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. I have greater confidence in the American Dream and in the belief of the constitution which states "all men are created equal".


Sniper

I view China in a favorable light primarily because it is a recongnition that ethnic Chinese are capable of being successful and contribute significantly to the world. This is not to say I approve of their ideological thought processes.

In much the same way African Americans take pride in Secretary of State Colin Powell and National Security advisor Condaleeza Rice; I am proud of the contributions made by Chinese-Americans for example Governer Locke of Washington state and NASA astronuat Edward Lu.
The following true story is a great example of what I mean. One day during the late 1800's while Chinese American rail road workers labored hard under the Californian sun, the foreman decided he needed to make some bricks in order to build a new housing complex. However there was a severe shortage of non-Chinese labor and the foreman, being under severe stress exclaimed "damn it, there is no one here who can make a few fucking bricks except the Chinese and we all know they are not smart enough to do it" Upon hearing this, a fellow foreman said "well they did build the great wall of China!".

I hope that clears everything up.

My friend Warrior,

I can assure you, your culture and heritage should make no difference in the career turn you take in the US military. I knew many people that were both naturalized and born here and it seemed they did extremely well. They were very professional and went far. I am the proud mother of a 1 yr old Chi-Com recently converted to Chi-American. Where we live people are very respectful of our daughter and her heritage as we are. The military is a great profession for people of all cultures and when I was in just 10 yrs ago, people did not look at what someone was, and it has only gotten better!

In our family, to be absolutely honest with you, we are grateful to the Chinese government for allowing us to become parents of one of their children. Even tho our governments may not have seen eye to eye at times, I feel that is where it should end. If anyone should say anything hostile towards you, they are completely ignorant and stupid. After traveling over to China, I had never met such wonderful and sweet people. I plan on telling my daughter the same thing, and if she wants to join the US military and has the same love and devotion you have for the US, I will be a very proud mother.

Good luck to you Warrior,

Wif

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"Wif"

Warrior, what you are saying is that you are pro Chinese, as in the people.

What you said originally was that you are pro China, which implies the nation, which is completely different.

I respect the chinese <i>people</i> immensely, they invented Kung Fu.

"If we are not victorious, let no man return alive."

Gen George S. Patton

Kung Fu is my favorite martial art, right next to Akido.

Wait, wasn't it a Budhist monk named Bo de Dahrma that invented it from Nepal?

Don't screw up my praise tritonal.

Next you're gonna tell me the Chinese didn't invent gun powder either...

"If we are not victorious, let no man return alive."

Gen George S. Patton

It could of been a chinese guy. I don't know.

I love chinese culture, philosophy, and especially... the Food.
But I don't know how much of that is actually Chinese.

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It could of been a chinese guy. I don't know.

I love chinese culture, philosophy, and especially... the Food.
But I don't know how much of that is actually Chinese.



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No way dude Gunpowder was invented way back in 1976 when Mudd and his Navajo warriors were shaven sparklers and stuffing the powder in mini bottles, Thus the Great 4 Corners Arms race begun, caused the outlaw of Mini Bottles as a Weapon of Mass chiken coop destruction, the hireing of 1 more officer in our "You cant get there from here Town" to stop the said above red clay clan tribesman from wasteing and terroriseing the whole 20 citizens and 100 adobe count ghetto from sheer mini jack danials holocaust. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> But yeah when the Law dogs caught us we blamed the chinese dude at the liquor store for arming us. So i guess it was a chinese dude that was behind the nefarious plot!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

LOL

"If we are not victorious, let no man return alive."

Gen George S. Patton

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B) Join the Marines when you can actually form complete sentences.
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Overkill??? I'd kill a fly with a howitzer if I had one.

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Wif

Thank you for your encouraging words, I appreciated them immensly. You sound like a very wonderful person and I am glad you are the mother to a Chinese American. I wish you the best of luck in everything you do. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Sincerely,

Gao Zhang

She is a great lady, actually.

"If we are not victorious, let no man return alive."

Gen George S. Patton

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It could of been a chinese guy. I don't know.

I love chinese culture, philosophy, and especially... the Food.
But I don't know how much of that is actually Chinese.



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No way dude Gunpowder was invented way back in 1976 when Mudd and his Navajo warriors were shaven sparklers and stuffing the powder in mini bottles, Thus the Great 4 Corners Arms race begun, caused the outlaw of Mini Bottles as a Weapon of Mass chiken coop destruction, the hireing of 1 more officer in our "You cant get there from here Town" to stop the said above red clay clan tribesman from wasteing and terroriseing the whole 20 citizens and 100 adobe count ghetto from sheer mini jack danials holocaust. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> But yeah when the Law dogs caught us we blamed the chinese dude at the liquor store for arming us. So i guess it was a chinese dude that was behind the nefarious plot!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>


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The truth comes out. That should definately get it's own episode of Histories Mysteries.

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