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Old Chief

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Posted: 03 Aug 2005, 18:57

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The following quote is from the chairman of Air France;

Spinetta praised the plane's crew for doing its job professionally, "which explains that we have no dead people in this crash."

Ummmm, excuse me but wasn't it the crew who put them 15 feet down a ravine in the first place? Did I miss something? And speaking of professionalism, one passenger was quoted that the cabin attendant said "everything's fine"..as she was looking out the window watching the wing get ripped off.

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Posted: 04 Aug 2005, 00:46

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> "everything's fine"..as she was looking out the window watching the wing get ripped off.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Panic kills, look at how many people are trampled to death when a nightclub or something has an emergency. That's why they drill your brains out in the military, so your body reacts according to it's training even if your brain is locked up or in meltdown. The Stew was trying to keep the panic to a minimum.

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Homer32

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Posted: 04 Aug 2005, 00:52

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as we all know, the french are very experienced when it comes to running away from something. this might have helped here... <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
ok, seriously, no matter which airline it´s great that everybody survived!!

as far as I know the co-pilot was landing the plane, and he attempted to land the plane one time before and had to abort the landing.

perhaps he pressed it too hard on the second time.

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44hollowpoint

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Posted: 04 Aug 2005, 13:12

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Isn't the pilot usually the most experienced member of the flying crew?

If that's the case, why was the co-pilot trying to land the Airbus is what appears to have been a vertical river.

Especially after a previous abort...

Perhaps the pilot didn't want to interupt his coffee and pastry...

Anyhow it's good to see everybody walk - sorry run, away from that one.

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M21 Sniper

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Posted: 04 Aug 2005, 13:40

Probably one of those, "Hey, can i land this time?" deals.

The pilot was just probably being nice to the guy...not expecting his buddy to ditch their Airbus into a ravine.

LOL...whoops.

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Posted: 04 Aug 2005, 13:49

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My first thought after I heard everyone was alright was: "Is my car alarm on that flight! NOOOOO!!! (I just bought one from Toronto on E-bay. Luckily it was FedEx).

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Homer32

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Posted: 04 Aug 2005, 14:06

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Isn't the pilot usually the most experienced member of the flying crew?

If that's the case, why was the co-pilot trying to land the Airbus is what appears to have been a vertical river.

Especially after a previous abort...

Perhaps the pilot didn't want to interupt his coffee and pastry...

Anyhow it's good to see everybody walk - sorry run, away from that one.

You're born, you keep your head down and you die. If you're lucky...
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

I also thought that the Co-Pilot is usually a kind of "Rookie". But I read that the Co-Pilot on this flight was already 43 years old and an experienced pilot. Dont know how old the pilot was though.

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44hollowpoint

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Posted: 04 Aug 2005, 15:05

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I've just read a transcript of the black box flight voice recorder.

The last words from the pilot were "OK then, I'll let her land it..."

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Homer32

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Posted: 04 Aug 2005, 15:10

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
I've just read a transcript of the black box flight voice recorder.

The last words from the pilot were "OK then, I'll let her land it..."

You're born, you keep your head down and you die. If you're lucky...
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

dont understand that... "her"??? <img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>
female co-pilot?

<img src=newicons/idea.gif border=0 align=middle> stewardess??<img src=newicons/tard.gif border=0 align=middle>

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44hollowpoint

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Posted: 04 Aug 2005, 15:17

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Sorry Homer,

It's an old and very politically incorrect UK joke based on the fact that women can't park cars. So the same might be true of landing an Airbus.

But I like the idea that an Air hostess might have been up front 'distracting' the pilots.

I'll go no futher, I have no desire to get another thread locked out...

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Homer32

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Posted: 04 Aug 2005, 15:24

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<img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle>
ok, it took only 20 minutes for me to get that joke...
LOL
ah, zem krauts!

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Posted: 04 Aug 2005, 15:33

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> ah, zem krauts!<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

LOL...

We'll at least ONE of you has a sense of humor <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>...

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boomer

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Posted: 04 Aug 2005, 16:45

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Isn't the pilot usually the most experienced member of the flying crew?

If that's the case, why was the co-pilot trying to land the Airbus is what appears to have been a vertical river.

Especially after a previous abort...

Perhaps the pilot didn't want to interupt his coffee and pastry...

Anyhow it's good to see everybody walk - sorry run, away from that one.

You're born, you keep your head down and you die. If you're lucky...
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Two things, pilots fly various aircraft, the co-pilot may have had MUCH more experiance flying in bad weather than the pilot, just not in an Airbus. He has to get his hours in before he can get captain status.
The other thing is that pilots probly dont like flying Airbus's <img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle>

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boomer

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Posted: 04 Aug 2005, 16:48

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
I've just read a transcript of the black box flight voice recorder.

The last words from the pilot were "OK then, I'll let her land it..."

You're born, you keep your head down and you die. If you're lucky...
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
Might have been refering to "her" as the plane itself, Airbus's are highly automated, pilots mostly just babysit it seems.

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BenRoethig

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Posted: 04 Aug 2005, 17:37

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Someone really screwed up here. Either the flight crew botched the landing or if it was as bad as they say it was the canadian air traffic controllers should have diverted the flight to another airport.

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mattlott

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Posted: 04 Aug 2005, 19:54

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the question is where they using the vonted airbus computer to land itself again. Seems to me they have had a problem with that system in the past, where the pilots could not over ride the computer. <img src=newicons/pain10.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Stinger

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Posted: 05 Aug 2005, 07:04

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
the question is where they using the vonted airbus computer to land itself again. Seems to me they have had a problem with that system in the past, where the pilots could not over ride the computer. <img src=newicons/pain10.gif border=0 align=middle>

<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> you mean the incident where the aircraft thought a forest would be a good place to set down...

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Homer32

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Posted: 05 Aug 2005, 08:16

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
the question is where they using the vonted airbus computer to land itself again. Seems to me they have had a problem with that system in the past, where the pilots could not over ride the computer. <img src=newicons/pain10.gif border=0 align=middle>

<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> you mean the incident where the aircraft thought a forest would be a good place to set down...

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<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

...like this:
http://www.simradar.com/Feature/2315/Airbus_Crash_in_Airshow.html

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boomer

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Posted: 05 Aug 2005, 11:14

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well that incident was caused by a botched approach combined with a lack of power to "un-botch" the mistake and if I recall corectly that was a lightly loaded plane with some "looky-loos" on board.

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