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RAF Eurofighter Crash-Landed: British Defense Chiefs
By AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE, LONDON


A British Royal Air Force Eurofighter crashed on landing in eastern England when its front wheel failed to descend properly, the Ministry of Defence in London said Jan. 17.

The Typhoon jet suffered damage following a malfunction of its landing gear as it touched down at the RAF Coningsby station in Lincolnshire, eastern England, on Jan. 16, an MoD spokesman told Agence France-Presse.

No one was hurt and an investigation is now under way into what caused the problem, he added.



The Typhoon Eurofighter is produced by a consortium of EADS, BAE Systems and Italy’s Alenia/Finmeccanica.

It is due to be introduced into the RAF in stages, reportedly within weeks, according to British newspaper The Sun in its Jan. 18 edition.

The daily tabloid also quoted unnamed official sources as saying it was not the first time the Typhoon had suffered problems with its landing gear.

The Eurofighter is a multi-role combat jet with a range of 2,500 kilometers (1,560 miles) and can be equipped with a mix of missiles depending on its mission.

The jets reportedly cost about 65 million pounds each (95 million euros, $115 million).

Last month Britain signed a multi-billion-dollar contract with Saudi Arabia to supply an undisclosed number of the jets.

They will replace the Tornado warplanes supplied to the oil-rich Gulf state in another massive, and controversial, deal two decades ago.



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yup, they all have thier teething problems.

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The F14 in 1970 had 3 failures on its first Flight..then they punched out and died on final.

I think all aviation Programs are safer and produce better results than they did during the cold war..

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Thug question wasnt the f-104 that was crashing at times a weekly when it was turne over to the German Air Force. It amazes me the safety records of the old century series fighters. Politically that would not be acceptable these days.


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we had a lot of problems with the starfighter, and there were many reasons for that.

The German Air Force received 916 F-104 in total; 262 of them were lost in accidents, 115 pilots were killed.

The peak was 1965 with 27 accidents and 17 killed.



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ouch where was Ralph Nader how come lockheed is still in business. that is a crash rate of 25%



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it wasnt all because of the aircraft design.

many problems occured because in the first years, the starfighters were parked "outside" - no shelter. Resulting electricity and engine problems...

pilot education was another issue...

and dont forget that the f-104 had to work under conditions it never was designed for... low-level flights in middle-european weather conditions. Nothing the starfighter was originally built for.



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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>it wasnt all because of the aircraft design.

many problems occured because in the first years, the starfighters were parked "outside" - no shelter. Resulting electricity and engine problems...
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Despite popular belief, shelters are creature comforts not a neccesity.

all our aircraft to this day still sit in the weather.

it is when they are in flight they recieve the worst exposure due to Elements being forced into the airframe.

Granted their are a couple nest egg aircraft that get shelters, due to security reasons.

It is a design flaw in them old aircraft. it is why everything goes through a revision process and standards are put in place "read Mil-Specifications" for our manufacturers

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Edited by - thebigthug on Jan 26 2006 2:06 PM

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thug would you fly a f-104 to the limit if you got a chance or would you perfer to error on safety.


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some interesting points there..

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