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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>If you need more information about my experiences .. I have been in Civil Air Patrol for almost 4 years and was in JRTOC throughout highschool..I've been to Cadet Survival Training School, Basic Encampment, Numerous base visits and summer exercises, and have many close friends that are military aviators. I currently hold a staff position with CAP SQ. 45 at MARCH AFB in southern calif. I am also emergency services qualified and am on a search and rescue ground team. I, myself, have been flying for about 2 and a half years. So if you still think my opinions aren't valid then thats your prerogative. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>


This wasn't referring to my general aviation experience BigThug. I never claimed to be a "qualified military aviator" ... just someone with flight experience and a good idea of what military life is like. You can put words in my mouth, and ignore my statements thats your choice, not mine. When I stated that "At least I'm a pilot" I was retaliating against some biased remarks that were directed towards me. See what bias against ROTC cadets does? I wrote goose an e-mail apologizing for any possible offense that I incurred... he said that I never offended him... so where is your point?

Edited by - buzz2182 on Feb 03 2003 11:40 AM

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BigThug,

I was retaliating to various labeling/slander directed against me when I made that comment "at least I'm a pilot". That doesn't mean I'm a military pilot, just someone that has researched the subject extensively and has experienced many elements of military life.

I never said I was a qualified military aviator... was that ever one of my claims?

See what bias against ROTC cadets does? I'm already in the military mindset, incase you didn't catch on... I don't think that "pencil pushers" don't have valid opinions... I was just trying to let everyone know that I value the experience of SNCOs and NCOs... you can choose to still ignore my background and my statements, thats a choice... but I am a very team-oriented individual, end of statement.

"The cost of peace is eternal vigilance". -Thomas Jefferson

Edited by - buzz2182 on Feb 03 2003 11:22 AM
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Nobody made a disrespectful comment towards ROTC or any other Officer training Corps institution. I myself Attended both Naval ROTC, PLC, and Air Force ROTC. I also Served Honorably as an Enlisted Marine. Also add in my 15 years Of commisioned service. But that means absolutely nothing my friend.. Only thing that matters is what respect, repoir I earn each Day. I dont rest on my laurels and I recommend you dont eather. YOu could be a hero yesterday and still people will see you as a shitbag today if that is how you advertise yourself as a character trait. You should learn to trust and respect your pears. Barking up the food chain my friend will do more to end your career than make it. Stand your ground, but dont piss on your toes.

By the way heres my statement again...

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I am happy to see you are persueing an military education as a ROTC Cadet. I hope that you dont feel I am labeling you as unworthy of respect for what you have accomplished to this date. I am only pointing out that There is more tactful and understanding ways to express your arguements<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

All you have proven so far is that you are argumentitive and crying nobody respects your opinion. My arguement has been to respect others. When you were refered to as a Newbie well you have to be honest with that statement. You are New to this Forum.

This Hazeing will never end, as long as you are jumping up and down like an organ grinder monkey garnering for attention. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Trust me, it's not easy being forged into the military mindset. ROTC is not the Military. Im afraid to say, you will have a painfull adventure ahead of you. It is easy to be hard, but not easy to be smart.

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THANKS TO THE BROTHERHOOD FOR ALWAYS COVERING MY BACK!!

BUZZ,
I NEVER CALLEED YOU A PENCIL PUSHER AND PILOTS ARE NOT WHAT I CONSIDER PENCIL PUSHERS.
I BY NO WAY EVER EXPECTED THIS TO SPARK SUCH A FUSS,

I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT MY EXPERIANCES ON 6 DIFFERENT AIRFRAMES WITH MAINTANCE ISSUES,THEIR ALL DIFFERENT EXCEPT ONE THING!

FENDER HIT IT ON THE HEAD"PARTS!"

IT CAN BE EASY TO FIX OR CHANGE,BUT IF YOU DONT HAVE A PART,WHAT DIFFEREANCE DOES IT MAKE?




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BUZZ ONE LAST THING TOO,

ALOT OF THESE PILOTS ARE LONG TIME FLYERS AND ALOT KNOW FIRST HAND WHAT COMBAT IS!
THEY EARNED THE RIGHT TO SPEAK THEIR MINDS AND ANYTHING ELSE,
AND LIKE THUG SAID,YOU'LL ALWAYS GET RAGGED ABOUT ROTC.!!

PRESS TO TEST

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Oh man, not another 2d Louie

You'll be fine once you get the 2d Louie gene out of you.

Usually takes about three years

Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

Goose,
One, your back is always covered here. I have not personally jumped in on this one but you know I have in the past.
Two, anyone that knows you knows you don't consider pilots pencil pushers. I do think Big Thug is right when he says we all have to push one more than we like. After 21yrs on active duty, HYT is 26 now, I have to write a lot more than I like to.
Three, thanks for backing me up on the parts issue. You have lived the nightmare of having no parts or worse yet your jet being the CANN bird. CANN up is a real bit#h for you crew dogs and I for sympathize.


Fender
In war there is no prize for runner-up. -- Omar N. Bradley

Snipe,
I don't think he is even a 2nd louie yet. One thing is for sure, he has awaken a sleeping dog and got bit hard. Now the issue is he capable of absorbing this lesson or will he continue to agrue with a seasoned Pilot, Officer, member of the US Armed Forces & Veteran of WT. Time will tell as it takes some longer than others. Tsk, Tsk.

Fender
In war there is no prize for runner-up. -- Omar N. Bradley

ANYTIME FENDER!

HE'LL BE FINE,IF BUZZ STICKS AROUND HERE LONG ENOUGH HE'LL KNOW THE ROPES ,
HELL I'VE STUCK MY FOOT IN MY MOUTH TOO MANY TIMES HERE,

SO BUZZ,IF WE DIDNT THINK YOU WERE WORTH HELPING,WE WOULDNT EVEN ANSWER YOU
OK?


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Its cool guys, I'll end this and let you judge me by my acts. If I offended you in the past I'm sorry, it was unintentional.

Bigthug, so you really were a fighter/test pilot? What airframe???

Thanks for the input fellas... I guess I'll have to earn my respect here... thats fine, pretty much classic with any hierarchy... the ones with experience get the respect... all I can do is let time pass and soak up as much knowledge as possible.

And to those that don't know I'm a first year ROTC student with 3-4 years of CAP/JROTC experience... so no, I'm not in the military yet. I am really looking forward to it though, especially if I get a pilot/nav slot. and yes goose, I will park myself in the pocket of my SNCOs =) thats one of the lessons we learned at Luke.

So I guess the only way to get indoctrinated into "the brotherhood" is through interaction and experience... so lets continue and forget about this little ruffle. cool?

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Nevertheless, if you believe that I need to be more tactful with my opinions then that is what is important, and I will do just that. thanks again.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

Edited by - buzz2182 on Feb 03 2003 1:45 PM

Welcome aboard Buzz. Hey someone get this FNG a beverage of his choice. Come on outside on the porch, the weather in fine. LOL

Fender
In war there is no prize for runner-up. -- Omar N. Bradley

There goes Thug again....<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dont mind him his High Blood pressure gives him bad breath.

I heard he flies Paper Airplanes now ever since he went mental and jumped off a cliff teaching Paragliders.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>



"Your presence on WT is like an odor dude, you need to unleash.. -Brewski"

BUZZ,
FENDER OFFERED YOU A DRINK AT THE WT HANG OUT
NOW YOU HAVE STARTED ON THE PATH OF THE "BROTHERHOOD"
WE ALL HAVE DONE IT AND
WELCOME ABOARD!!!!!!

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Thanks guys,

drink accepted! I'll have an afterburner... man have you guys ever had those? I'm sure most of you have, especially goose and bigthug... its chartruse, sambuca, and vodka... mmmm. Thanks for accepting my apology. AIM HIGH!!!

"The cost of peace is eternal vigilance". -Thomas Jefferson

I prefer "Irish Carbombs" Now that is a drink. Of course I took Thug with me and he actually thought we were heading down to the Gaslamp district to incinerate cars. He wa a bit Bummed when it was a Simple Lit Irish Whisky. That is until he felt it go off on the brain Housing Group. I dont even want to discuss what happened afterwords.. Needless to say we RTB'd safely after spending Several hours, Rolling in on Brews, Broads and Burritos. Gotta Love San Diego!!!

Poor thug, guy isnt happy if their isnt any danger involved.<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>



"Your presence on WT is like an odor dude, you need to unleash.. -Brewski"

Oh HELL YEAH another Car bomb fan, nothing in the world that can't be solved with a little Jameson and Guiness. In college I used to do those while listening to the Drop Kick Murphy's-Good Times, Good Times*





* Anyone under the age of lawful alcoholic consumption should abide by the law and be responsible. Wait until you reach the right age when you start destroying your life like me(Just covering my a%&, let it be known that I'm a responsible role model but an irresponsible drinker<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>)



Edited by - Tritonal on Feb 03 2003 9:51 PM

<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>Guiness<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>. I make it a point to Kill a Few Pints Nightly, Except saturdays..Church requires a little sacrifice in me...Till Monday night<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>



"Your presence on WT is like an odor dude, you need to unleash.. -Brewski"

Did somebody say Beer?

I quote the immortal Bluto Blutowski "Have a brew it don't cost nuthin"

Your Delta KI name is..........Flounder.

Got to love Animal House.

If you are not having fun, you are not doing it right!

trust Tomcat, he's Pre-Med,

And Mudd your just a pawn in the game of life<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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George S. Patton

Man these forums are interesting... we went from talking about the SuperHornet to various popular drinks in about a page... hehe I love this place <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle> Cheers guys!!! AIM HIGH!!

"The cost of peace is eternal vigilance". -Thomas Jefferson

Edited by - buzz2182 on Feb 04 2003 09:50 AM

It's called high-jacking, buzz. Happens all the time here. Welcome, btw.

King George II on Gen. James Wolfe: "Mad, is he? Then I wish he'd bite more of my other generals!"

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will plow for those who do not.\"
- Thomas Jefferson

LOL thread Jacking = Bogeys at W.T.

You dont know whether to classify contact as a Friendly or a bandit....

Some days sorting them is a overwelming..





"Your presence on WT is like an odor dude, you need to unleash.. -Brewski"

Yup, thread hijacking is a time honored tradition on WT. Welcome, and pull up a chair. Hey 30MM...when are we gonna get started on those staidum seating couches with the build in coolers for the porch? <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Ted

Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. They should both be changed regularly and for the same reason.
<img src="http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/dark2.gif" border=0>

Some of us(ME ME ME!) get a little pissy when a serious thread is hijacked though, so it is wise to hijack lightly...at least till we all decide we're gonna keep ya.

My stance is that i like you, but i'm not walking or feeding you.

We've assigned that job to Tritonal.

Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

I thought Thug was still feeding and burping tritonal?
When did he get his Grand Pooba Horns?

If you are not having fun, you are not doing it right!

HEY TEDG,
I HAVE THE SAT.HOOKED UP IN THE "FOL",JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ON HOW TO GET THE PHONE LINE THERE.
DAD WIRED LIGHTS AND PLUG INS JUST HAVE A BIG PILE OF JUNK LEFT FROM LAST OWNERS TO BE CLEARED OUT.

GET THE FRIG IN HOOKED UP AND FIGURE OUT THE SEATING,AND WE'LL BE SET!!!


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