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I couldn't find any fast foreign helicopters either. Do you remember the type?

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A-10 Stress,
There have been several helicopters that crossed the 200 knot line.
The new AH-1Z has undergone tests where it has broken 220knots
Back in 1985 or 87 the Lynx had the Guiness World Record title of Fastest Rotary Aircraft speed at 250mph.

Sniper, I was originally thinking Air Force Intel: BDA and what not.
Sorry that had to happen to you.

Does anyone with exp in the field know anything about Air Force Intell? Good points/Bad points?









Edited by - Tritonal on Jan 28 2003 3:23 PM

a number of helos approach the 200mph mark but only Apache can crack 200kt. Even the twin stacked rotor Kamovs (including Hocom and Black Shark/Aligator)can't match Apache(they should but they dont). Some of the Soviet transport helos are fast (Hook and Halo roughly match the Stallion series) and the Hind has had all sorts of speeds attributed to it fom 150 mph up to 200mph. The NH-90 will probly be the fastest non Apache out there till Commanche (unless it falls on it's own sword, which I suspect it will <img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle> ) but I dont have reliable numbers on the Tiger Euro-attack helo.

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does anyone have a relevant link to the claim of 250mph for Lynx? cause the most I could find is 205mph/178kt/330kph

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Nope,
Just saw it on Discovery Wings when I had the channel.

Just found this, scroll down:
http://classes.cecs.ucf.edu/eas5157/lin/Ch7.ppt



Edited by - Tritonal on Jan 28 2003 4:42 PM

I think i might be thinking MPH-

The Hind is 205mph, and the Mi-28, Ka-50 etc are all even faster.

The big seven bladed transports are the fastest ones, but i can't remember the designation of them.

Those giant ones. They are very fast.

Btw, top speed of Apache is 173Kts.

Trample the wounded- hurdle the dead.

Speed is definitely not set in stone because there are so many variables to consider.
I even read the Apache at 220 knots.

the Apache protos were hitting 227kts in level flight, but I have NO idea under what circumstances.

Snipe, Mi-6 Hook and Mi-26 Halo are the big nasties in the Red stable, both of them will do 180+mph

Tritonal, you need to check that link , all I get is a big screen saying "chapter7"


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Edited by - boomer on Jan 28 2003 8:29 PM

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Correct, then SCROLL down till you get frame 27 of 33 of the slide presentation. It will be the Lynx information. I rechecked by accessing the link from the WT site and got to the desired info. You'll get what your finding.

There's also some interesting math formulas if your into that stuff.



Edited by - Tritonal on Jan 28 2003 9:56 PM

The FAI's helicoptor world record page: http://records.fai.org/rotorcraft/current.asp?id1=112&id2=1&id3=2 shows the record for the Lynx at 400.87 km/hr, which is (plugging the numbers into a handy conversion program) 249.089 MPH or or 216 knots. Wow! That thing was MOVING.

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I thought that speed record runs were the average of several runs made in each direction? Or am I thinking of land speed records? Oh, and if I remember right, that Russian A-10 was actually a prototype of the Mi-24.

Edited to clairify what I meant: absolute speed record runs, not closed course speed record runs.

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Edited by - tedg on Jan 29 2003 07:08 AM

The Apache's that were tested past 200 knots were pre-production models with no guns, hard-points, targeting sytems or armor.

With 4,000lbs removed it is an entirely different beast, lol.

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200 knots?? That is slow even for a warthog. Helicopters are neat and have lots of extremely useful capabilities but high speed is just not one of them. 200 knots is definitely faster than other helicopters but I have done faster in civilian single engine propeller driven aircraft.

So while higher speed is something to shoot for in helicopters it is never going to be very high speed (except for Iron Wolf).

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With 4,000lbs removed it is an entirely different beast, lol.

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That's what I meant- different variables.
Although the Longbow has new powerful engines. So I wonder if that speed can be obtained fully loaded?
I take specs.(Especially speed) with a grain of salt because sometimes the performance can be more or less impressive on the battle field. The only people who have a true idea of how fast the Apache can reach are the pilots themselves.

I wouldn't be surprised if a pilot experienced 300mph if the right circumstances occured.

"hover straight down" ROFLMAO!!

WOW 40,000ft in a helo!!!

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200 knots?? That is slow even for a warthog. Helicopters are neat and have lots of extremely useful capabilities but high speed is just not one of them. 200 knots is definitely faster than other helicopters but I have done faster in civilian single engine propeller driven aircraft.

So while higher speed is something to shoot for in helicopters it is never going to be very high speed (except for Iron Wolf).


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LMAO yeah I have to chuckle when i Fly my Sleicher ASW19 Glider, I smoke Cessnas at 220 Knots flat out.

I was messing with a Homebuilt RV-4 Last summer. He was doing some loops over a field around 10K. I hit a thermal and Outclimbed him, then i proceeded to do Rolls, Hammerheads, Knife edges and Out turn and loop him, after about 30 min of that he headed back to Ogden Hinkley for Fuel, I went and found a nice mountain that was good for ridge lift, Did some slope soaring there for a while, He comes back with a passenger, and wanted to know if i was game for a little follow the leader. He says hey your pretty quick, lets head to Heber city, about 20nm South. Sure no problem. I hold formation with him. at some times i had to deploy full spoilers so i wouldnt overtake or outclimb him. After about 10 min of that, I said what the hell be back in a minute.. Find a nice field, Variometer was chirping some Good Dry Blue thermals. I take my glider into a 30 degree Dive and deployed my 32 gallons of water ballast. I'm doing this while they are cruiseing at 135 knots 9000 feet. I hit 220 Knots starting to get in the Red Zone.. Pull out of the dive at 6400 and now i weigh a 1/16th of what i did with the 32 gallons of ballast. I blow straight vertical up to 15k. All i hear is "HOLY SH%T" as i explode out of the pasture, Do a split s and a loop back in behind them back to formation with again full spoilers deployed. Well im beat catch you boys another time and left them fadeing behind me, Hard 4 g pylon turn over Heber municipal and tracked back north to 42U.
Oh the Wonderful power of BAD Mother Nature.

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Oh man those glider's rock.

On what Luke was saying he's certainly right about chopper's being slow by fixed wing standards.
This comparison always reminds me of the fixed wing turboprop Hind hunter the Army wanted in the 80's.

What a little hot rod that was, lol.

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Ov10 Bronco baby!

Dump the 4 M60's out of the sponson, Mount 9x, and 2 20mm or 40mm Automatic grenade Launcher.

Most folks dont remember the Ov10's abilities in the field, and the mission that was taken over by the O/A-10.

Troop lift escort and FAC(A), Medevac, Hunter/Scout

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