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I found this link to a pic on another board...have you ever heard about this?

http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-photo-vf213-06.htm

Ted

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SOB that's a cool pic G man!!

does anyone have a pic of the similarley impared F-15? It may have been an Isreali jet, but it was supposedly flown back and recovered successfully?

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The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.

That's the beauty of fly-by-wire.

The computer just compensates.

Neither the F15 or the F14 (not sure about the f14D) are fly by wire...just tough jets...

Then how does it stabilize during catastrpohic wing failure?

The fuselage produces a fair amount of lift. As far as control goes....the horizontal stabilizers work in a roll function as well as a pitch function. I have some F-15 pictures at work that show the right wing ripped completely off of an IAF F-15. Story was that it was involved in a mid air with an A-4. I will have to wait until tuesday to get them if anyone is interested in seeing them (gotta love those govt holidays).

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M&M, YES YES YES PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE SEND SEND SEND or post

As I recall F-15 started out as hydralic control , then was later updated to "Fly By Wire"(but perhaps not FULLY FBW)

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ok boomer.....found one online for ya. I have one more at work that I have never seen online so I will have to get that one tuesday. http://www.stormpages.com/skythe/f15_wing.htm

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Thanks M&M. No wonder he was able to land it, he still had right side flaps ROFL

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F-14D has the marconi DFC upgrade, but is not fly by wire.

Cool pic Ted, thanx..........

I have a story about a F-14 that made it back and trapped safely aboard the boat in the Indian Ocean, with only the bottom half of the stick left. I will post it whan I have more time, but that was a pretty amazing display of airmanship, although saving the aircraft saved the careers of the Aviator/Rio cause they were supposed to abort at take off and waved off the troublshooters abort signal, and launched anyways...........



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Edited by - Tomcat Tweaker on Feb 15 2003 07:42 AM

M&M is correct, and in the case of the F-14 a huge amount of lift is produced by the fuselage. The F-14 obtains roll control almost exclusively from its tailerons. That Tomcat would have had to divert to a land base. I don't think an aircraft with that much structural damage would be able to bolter in the event it missed the wire. Just to much of a risk, to not only the aircrew, but the boat to try to trap.

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Edited by - Tomcat Tweaker on Feb 16 2003 1:50 PM

hehe boomers getting his jollies, go booms!

Yeah I read about that F-15 story, one hell of a pilot if you ask me... one hell of a plane too<img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle> GO AIR FORCE! *cough* . good stuff

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Gotta give the Isreali Air Force credit for that one....it was their pilot and F-15.

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Good point, it was an IAF pilot...guess who trained that IAF pilot though -- <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

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More than likely he was trained by his own AF. The initial IAF F-15 pilots were undoubtedly trained by the USAF but they dont send all of them to us.

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Hail to the F-15 for being an outsandingly durable and rugged aircraft! oh and good job IAF for flying our airplanes well <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Written by: Tsahi Ben Ami
On may 1st. 1983, a simulated dogfight training took place between two F-15D's and four A-4N Skyhawks over the skies of the Negev. The F-15D (# 957, nicknamed 'Markia Shchakim', 5 killmarks) was used for the conversion of a new pilot in the squadron. Here is the description of the event as described in "Pressure suit":

At some point I collided with one of the Skyhawks, at first I didn't realize it. I felt a big strike, and I thought we passed through the jet stream of one of the other aircraft. Before I could react, I saw the big fire ball created by the explosion of the Skyhawk. The radio started to deliver calls saying that the Skyhawk pilot has ejected, and I understood that the fire ball was the skyhawk, that exploded, and the pilot was ejected automatically.

There was a tremendous fuel stream going out of the wing, and I understood it was badly damaged. The aircraft flew without control in a strange spiral. I re-connected the electric control to the control surfaces, and slowly gained control on the aircraft until I was straight and level again. It was clear to me that I had to eject. When I gained control I said : "Hey, wait, don't eject yet!". No warning light was on and the navigation computer worked as usual; I just needed a warning light in my panel to indicate that I missed a wing..." The instructor ordered me to eject. The wing is a fuel tank, and the fuel indicator showed 0.000 so I assumed that the jet stream sucked all the fuel out of the other tanks. However, I remembered that the valves operate only in one direction, so that I might have enough fuel to get to the nearest airfield and land.

I worked like a machine, wasn't scared and didn't worry. All I knew was : as long as the sucker flies, I'm gonna stay inside. I started to decrease the airspeed, but at that point one wing was not enough. So I went into a spin down and to the right. A second before I decided to eject, I pushed the throttle and lit the afterburner. I gained speed and thus got control of the aircraft again. Next thing I did was lowering the arresting hook. A few seconds later I touched the runway at 260 knots, about twice the recommended speed, and called the tower to erect the emergency recovery net. The hook was torn away from the fuselage because of the high speed, but I managed to stop 10 meters before the net.

I turned back to shake the hand of my instructor, who urged me to eject, and then I saw it for the first time - no wing !!!

The IAF contacted McDonnel Douglas and asked for information about possibility to land an F-15 with one wing . MD replied that this is aerodynamically impossible, as confirmed by computer simulations... Then they received the photo....

After two months the same F-15 got a new wing and returned to action.


Special thanks to Tsahi Ben Ami


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This is what "Flight international, 8 June 1985" wrote about the incident :

"The most outstanding Eagle save was by a pilot from a foreign air force. During air combat training his two seater F-15 was involved in a mid air collision with an A-4 Skyhawk. The A-4 crashed, and the Eagle lost it's right wing from about 2ft. outboard. After some confusion between the instructor who said eject, and the student who outranked his instructor and said no, the F-15 was landed at it's desert base. Touching down at 290 kt, the hook was dropped for an approach and engagement. This slowed the F-15 to 100 kt, when the hook weak link sheared, and the aircraft was then braked conventionally. It is said that the student was later demoted for disobeying his instructor, then promoted for saving the aircraft.

McDonnel Douglas attributes the saving of this aircraft to the amount of lift generated by the engine intake/body and "a hell of a good pilot".


Tsahi Ben-Ami


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my F-15 book says those intakes account for something like 11% of the "wing area" of the F-15!

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