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Ok ,I'm from South Africa and would like to get a few opinons

Our military forces suck! nobody can deny that! hell, we must
have THE worst navy on the planet and our air force consists
of basically 50's-70's aircraft and ground forces of locally
made armour, so ,how is it we sold point defence missiles to
a 5-Generation (Or something like that) stealth ship project
in europe????? apparently these thing can nail stealty cruise
missiles ? is this true ? how'd we make that?
Did I miss something?

South Africa has a highly developed weapons industry....they just can't afford to buy the stuff themselves.

"If they mean to have a war, let it begin here." Captain John Parker, Battle of Lexington.

The Rooivalk and the Kfir-hybrid aren't good designs? I've always been impressed with their small-arms and wheeled fighting vehicles. I believe they even developed the scramshell (which is an integral part of my fantasy to design and field modern, nuclear powered, steel-sided, 16-inch gun X four turret-armed Montana-type battleships).

A sucking chest wound is life's way of telling you to slow down...

Doesn't South Africa make some of the best artillery pieces in the world?



Edited by - Tritonal on May 05 2003 11:24 PM

Looks like I came to the right place!

I don't know if our mirage 3 conversion ,which I assume you mean by
the KIFR is all that good, we recently had an air show here with
Overseas aircraft from all over the world coming here!
Those F-15's and F-16's kick ass! they did some serious
displays here! the mirage was ok but nothing like them.
Even the B1 bomber they had here did some pretty damn impressive
manuvering!

Another question ,We have on the Rooivalk a hellfire type missile
called the Mokopa
I've got some fact and figures but how does this match up to
the hellfire itself?
Do you know anything about its effectiveness?? I assume since
we can turn out those point defence missiles these should be ok?
Only having 12 Rooivalks probably means they can't afford to
train with live missiles though.

An Interesting fact I picked up, One of the USA's Nuclear carriers
has more displacement than our entire navy(Not that that's saying much)
Has more aircraft than our entire airforce (Not to mention much better)
but strangly (For me) only costs 1 years defence spending of south africa
for the ship, and another years for the planes.

I think when they say Kfir they are referring to the IAI Kfir, the Israeli plane built with stolen plans for the French Mirage during and after the Six-Day War in 1967.

The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his. -General George Patton

Yes thats right! I assume he meant our attempt at making that
plane , the cheetah ,its a similar idea ,ours has a larger
nose cone though.

By the way ,good job on Iraq! ,that guy just HAD to go
don't worry about all this public opinon going around ,I think thats
just political correctness having its usual panic session.
Most people I talk to agree ,Saddam had to go ,and anyway
he did it to himself,all he had to do was co-operate.
You'll find there's even french and germans that agree...

well I'll stop bugging you guys here now...

Bye.

Remember also that a single carrier group has greater fire power than the entire british armed forces. Britan is even a world power.

The bitch with carriers is that you need about 6 billion dollars worth of escorts just to protect them.

"If they mean to have a war, let it begin here." Captain John Parker, Battle of Lexington.

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The bitch with carriers is that you need about 6 billion dollars worth of escorts just to protect them.

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ROFL or more. Nothing cheap anymore. New VA class of subs will be pushing 1.3 billion taxbucks or more. Think a Nimitz class carrier is over 4 billion taxbucks. Few billion or more for the Air Wing. O man were talking serious bucks.

E model Hercs worldwide are being parked because of wing cracks and corrosion.

Warthogs will probably be retired early because they have been rode pretty hard lately.

Jack

Jack

I'm tellin' ya, modern Montana battleships with guided scramshells and 1000 mile range...

A sucking chest wound is life's way of telling you to slow down...

Preach it Horrido!!!!

"If they mean to have a war, let it begin here." Captain John Parker, Battle of Lexington.

Just found something interesting... have to bug you all again..

There is a program running in the USA to develop a light tank
Fielding the A-10's main gun as its primary weapon ,so they
will have an All-rounder ,A tank that is equally good at
Air defence as it is at dealing with groung forces.
Now another surprise from me, they are considering producing
a version with the 75mm cannon from the Rooikat (That 8 wheeled
armoured car of ours) on it,apparently this gun is highly effective
More so that the "Upgraded" version with a 105mm for export.
(Apparently nobody bought the Idea of our 75mm)
It fires a new type of Sabot round developed for it at 200m/s faster
than the M1A2's sabot round!!
They are also considering developing their own version which fires
a round at 3000m/s vs the 75mm's 1600m/s!!

This is so cool ,when your country is turning out stuff like this
with the best of them!! and part of projects like this
kinda make you feel like part of the family!! in a weird way..

Hope you found that interesting ....later