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....I KNOW I'M HIJACKING THE THREAD BUT, ELF BILLY,YOU GET YOUR TIE TACKS YET?

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let me as for the record on this matter of height or anything having to do with the friendly fire incident. i being one who flys these pigs. the height really does not matter. most flyboys after the mission is done some times seek coming back what may be enemy locations. we have double checks for any local activity before we even try to arm any weapons on our birds. we cordinate all postions of friendly forces on the ground. if any is not idenified by either friendly forces we call our command post for coridinates of local forces or foes on the ground

Yeah Goose I got it. Thanks bunches. I think my wife wants to shangai it though and wear it on her lapel at work. Your package will be in the mail in the morning.

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many thanks for your answers.
you see, I have been getting a bit of the runaround from the US military simply even trying to find a point of cntact so that I can have someone to call when the investigation concludes.
We can leave our chats till then but maybe you can bear me in mind then.
in the meantime, I completely understand the vital role the A10 plays in force protection and that this is one very unusual incident. And God, the sound of those guns are the scariest thing ever, I heard them on another day - not the friendly fire - and was wondering if someone had opened up the gates of hell, so it must be a quite remarkable piece of machinery!
I guess the British - particularly the soldiers - are sensitive about it because the same thing happened in the last Gulf war. However, be sure that there are issues the british government has to deal with to esnure that their vehicles are better identified and don't just rely on bright orange plastic panels. and that the soldiers are looking for answers there too.
cheers guys

GOOD DEAL BILLY,
I'LL BE LOOKING OUT.
I GUESS I SHOULD OF GOT ONE FOR HER TOO!

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If they were in open desert, bright orange plastic panels could be a VERY bad thing, considering the eye would likely blend them in with desert camouflage and sand (even if they were clean) from the air. Also, before making judgment on vehicle identification, as a previous poster commented, take a flight on a light aircraft. It's AMAZING how difficult it is to identify locations and objects on the ground. If you can, find a local modelling club, have them build you a 1/72 model of a Scimitar, and a BMP-2/3 in proper camouflage. Have them sit one or the other on the ground on a desert dioramma after you have studied silhouettes and books about the two vehicles. Go up to a third or fourth story window (or however high) to achieve scale distance, and try to make your identification. Keep in mind that if you are too slow or wrong, you would get the equivalent of being "pushed-out the window" in the real world.

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HORRDIO,THAT WAS A GREAT WAY OF EXPLAINING IT!

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let me as for the record on this matter of height or anything having to do with the friendly fire incident. i being one who flys these pigs. the height really does not matter. most flyboys after the mission is done some times seek coming back what may be enemy locations. we have double checks for any local activity before we even try to arm any weapons on our birds. we cordinate all postions of friendly forces on the ground. if any is not idenified by either friendly forces we call our command post for coridinates of local forces or foes on the ground


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Cough Cough...Fraud! Cough Cough...

Another Internet fantesy in the makeing.. This is becomeing a sitcom around here... Cant wait to see what is lined up this fall when LO-Mac sim Comes out

Cough...cough...i agree with Mudd.

Another internet fantasy brought to light.

"Trample the wounded...hurdle the dead"

Sgt Goose, all of our Hawgs have 8mm recorders in the cockpit right in front of the map case. And Audrey, it wasn't a reservist. We are the only reserve A-10 unit deployed and weren't in theater at the time of the incident.


KcHawg

KCHawg, many thanks for that clarification. As you can imagine, many distressed soldiers and families are possibly putting two and two together and getting five.
I appreciate your help.

Ok all! Hawgdawgs chiming in. While this original thread was going on I was over in the sand when this FF happened. Many, many times my pilot and his wing were enroute and got diverted by calls for immediate help by guys in trouble on the ground. Sometimes the sit rep was no time for long explanations but rather some grunt commander giving desperation co-ordinates to waste the problem...and fast. From the "pilot to crewdawg" debriefs I've gotten, sometimes it goes wrong...you know what I mean? Damn, it's tragic, it's war! I have seen Hawgdrivers get out of the cockpit after that kinda mission in a wreck because he has honor and regrets the outcome! Conversly, I was there when a buddy milked his baby back to Tallil, Iraq after a SAM wasted the #2 and we both shared a silent thanx to the Maker for his safe return...and his life takes on a whole new meaning! No one should believe that war is safe or fair...just neccessary. I hope I make sense to someone.

What bird strike?

Oh and PS...I made lots of "Mates" with Royal Marines over there and even they as professionals understand the reality of war and still appreciated the CAS from our Hawgs. I think the people that really point fingers are the politicians and some media!!!GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

What bird strike?

We get what you're saying HAWGDAWG. Not only do we get it, but I think we (at least I) understand the point you're trying to get across.

"Retreat, hell! We just got here!"-Captain Lloyd Williams, 2nd Marine Division, Belleau Wood, France, WWI

had a chance to review this info now that some time has passed and there is a little more perspective... it is really tough to pick out targets and differentiate at 200kts flat out soaking wet... anybody who thinks war is clean and bloodless and mistake free probably is in an airconditioned office eating fritos.... if you guys think war will ever be clean and mistake free and bloodless, the days the drones are doing it is when it will happen...

"airconditioned office eating fritos"? This guys post sounds EXACTLY like warthogdrv and asswan draggin......coincidence?

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I.P. Address anyone? If it is the same, dang. Gives people like me a bad name.

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yeah its been delt with guys thanx 4 the l8 arrival

Words I get from this incident is that the pilot may not have been as up on vis recognition as he should have been.

That having been said, the war moved so quickly that many people had some widely different understandings of where friendly forces were, because it took too frickin' long to get the updates out.

Personally, if it is vis recognition, fry the pilot and the squadron intel shop for not doing their frickin' jobs.



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i have now heard that it wasn't the pilot's fault at all but somebody else controlling the area --- or so an incident report says. I know that neither the Britsh forward air controller nor the anglico guys with the regiment had been in contact with the pilots at all. who is left then? sorry for my ignorance on this subject