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Flight International Dec 23, 2003

Lockheed Martin has confirmed to Flight International that the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter continues to exceed its weight target after a fourth bottom-up review of the structural design. The technical data is still being analysed, but the early results "showed we did not achieve the objectives we expected of the structural weight of the airplane at this point in the programme", says Lockheed Martin. Programme officials are studying alternatives to weight reduction measures, such as boosting in-flight performance and production schedules. </i>

They give a %???

Last i heard it was a whopping 20% overweight!

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They give a %???

Last i heard it was a whopping 20% overweight!

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Do you have a link to that 20% number snipe, old RonO is giving his F-35B is the greatest aircraft ever made routine.

"I don't where you get your numbers from but they are wrong. As for replacing CTOL aircraft, the B will handly outperform any current naval strike aircraft. In several areas the B will outperform the C."

Except for the fact that it should end up with less range and payload than the F/A-18C.


Edited by - BenRoethig on Jan 02 2004 11:38 PM

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I would rescind that statement, the B being the VTOL variant suffers many performance compromises in the conventional flight realm to achieve that ability thus it isn't designed to be a carrier strike fighter as is the C, but a Marine strike fighter, the missions are different.





Edited by - chadrewsky on Jan 03 2004 01:29 AM

Ron O is a smacked ass.

He has been since the day he first learned to speak i would imagine...lol

I used to really like that board, but there's just too much cronyism there anymore. I went out of my way to have Theodore ban me a few months back, lol.

As far as the %, no, i can't get confirmation in writing, but have heard this number many times from a few (well informed) folks....and i've been hearing it for close to a year now.

From what i hear, the VTOL variant is the most overweight of the lot. It also has the shortest range, highest RCS, and because of it's weight, largest turning radius of the three F-35 variants.

The USN F-35C is the hotrod of the bunch, with it's greatly enlarged wing vs the F-35A/B.

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I would rescind that statement, the B being the VTOL variant suffers many performance compromises in the conventional flight realm to achieve that ability thus it isn't designed to be a carrier strike fighter as is the C, but a Marine strike fighter, the missions are different.





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Not my quote it was said by RonO an acquaintance of Snipe and myself from Warships1. He's the type who believes that a CVF with F-35B and Merlin AEW is going to be as good as Nimitz class CVN.

Sorry for the confusion Ben...

I will say this in Ron O's case. Crank is a wonderfull catalyst for dellusional thought.

lol, RonO the speed freak...that would explain a LOT about the chap.

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By the way, if either of you two are interested, here's my original post on the thread

http://pub165.ezboard.com/fwarships1dis ... c&index=13

Snipe, you're right, the number of rational people over there has greatly diminished. I'm glad Rick told me about this place. chadrewsky , no problem man.


Edited by - BenRoethig on Jan 03 2004 10:52 AM

Not to hi-jack the thread, but concerning other discussion forums. I have tried to engage in discussions on various forums and all of them have been disapointing when compared to this site, we seem to have a little bit of everything here, I guess thats why I like it.

Our threads range in subject and content from A-10's to Zumwalt class DDG's and everything in between. We ought to start a talk show

Hey Ben, if you see Rick around tell him he's missed here....i don't know where he got off to.

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Hey Ben, if you see Rick around tell him he's missed here....i don't know where he got off to.

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Haven't seen him since shortly after he emailed bt the incentation to come here.

OK, roger that.

Rick has the tendency to get overly annoyed with the whole internet thing.

Trolls really get to him, lol.

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LOL, want me to lie to you dude?

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Short temper.

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why not develop the AV8B harrier II further, rather than spend billions of dollars of development of something that is going to take 5 to 10 years to see service.



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why not develop the AV8B harrier II further, rather than spend billions of dollars of development of something that is going to take 5 to 10 years to see service.



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Much better range and payload. The F-35B is significant upgrade over the Harrier.

using vectored thrust to perform the job of the lift fans used on the JSF, Id say the harrier family is infinately more manouvreable than the JSF, such agility bestowed in the harrier was put to good use in the falklands against mirage fighters, jsf needs to open doors before fans can work, a combat vunerability, the vectors are less damage prone in my opinion

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the Harrier will be a pig compared to the maneuverability of the F-35B. I believ the Harrier is a 6 G or so aircraft even with "viffing". F-35B will likely be 8 or more without the need for "viffing" which it cant do anyway. The F-35 family will have maneuverability in the general catagory of F-16.

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"why not develop the AV8B harrier II further, rather than spend billions of dollars of development of something that is going to take 5 to 10 years to see service. "

AV-8B is EXTREMELY vulnerable to IR missiles because of the location of the hot nozzles.

AV-8B has no provision for internal carriage.

AV-8B is subsonic, JSF is not.



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