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Shitty day

sad for sure. I just hope everyone puts this in perspective and does not jump on the bandwagon to kill the jet. Historically all fighters have had their periods of accidents as they came on line. f-16 is not called the lawn dart just for the hell of it.

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Wow, didn't the last F-22 crash on final because of a software glitch? Please don't tell me this was another outdated piece of computer equipment because the plane took 20+ years to get to this point and the level of tech went from Apple IIe to Pentium 4 @ 3.3 Ghz!
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The "last" F-22 "crash" was a YF-22 more than ten years ago. It involved controllability with thrust vectoring (in afterburner) during the "go" on a "touch and go". I wouldn't describe it as a software glitch. I can't believe you actually put your rambling thoughts into writing. You know what, we don't need your useless speculations today. I think I have some work to do, buh bye.

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<b>Hey M&M</b>, chalk up another success for thrust you can trust.

Apparently, all the fretting over the escape system design and all those sled tests were not for nothing. The seat will be trash but I'll bet they find the canopy intact with maybe some bent sheet metal. We have re-used canopies in sled testing with no ill effects. We don't know yet if all the features worked properly. It was a low speed ejection so the leg restraints and fast drogue were not needed. We still are interested to see if they deployed as planned and if the canopy trajectory was satisfactory. It probably will be weeks before we get reliable info. We'll learn something from this. It won't be worth $150 million though.

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stress is there an acceptable loss ratio if you based on history, that tells everyone if within norm when bringing a new fighter on line.

I know the f-104, f-100, and f-16 had some really tough times in the begining.

Whatever you say BV. You seem to have the inside information.

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The first thing they teach you in Aircraft Accident Investigation courses is to NOT formulate an opinion as to what caused an accident until all the FACTS are on the table. Let's not speculate on this and let the investigation run it's course.
If it turns out to be a software issue, I'll congratulate BigVette with a good guess. If it's something else....

Ok, you may shoot me now.

Go Ugly Early !
No body's ugly after 2:00 A.M.

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Dont fucking instigate my favorite engineer Vette.

I will be displeased.

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Normally I would Comment on this....

Vette your thought process is Defective, nothing in your background brings credible knowledge base to these discussions. Your as coordinated as a Cut and paste Word Processor. Then again the last time i Checked we didnt have openings for one, since Boomer filled the position years ago.

Last thing this Raptor patch Wearer is going to do is Rebuttle a kid that Got Booted during his First term enlistment in the Corps for being a Broke Dick Sleep Walker

...although.... If Your looking to fill the Festival Virgin Quota, We had a position open up recently.

"The power to Destroy the planet, is insignifigant to the power of the Air Force----Mudd Vader

You need to learn that not all posters are created equally, and that some bring more to the table than others.

I'd ban 10 Bigvette's before i'd lose a single A-10 stress.

Which i am about to prove.

You are hereby banned until Jan 1, 2005.

Have a nice holiday season.

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I don't know what takes bigger stones: being a Raptor Test Pilot, or jumping, no... LEAPING to conclusions on a project that you have absolutely no bearing on?
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As far I know, this accident won't be a choke to the project.

However,I believe if you see this hypothetical one, it's panic-time:
RAPTOR HAS SIGNATURE OF OFFICE BUILDING WHEN DISPLAYED ON NEW RUSSIAN DETECTION SYSTEM <i>developing...</i>



Edited by - tritonal on Dec 22 2004 11:18 PM

Vette will not be rejoining us, probably ever.



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Really?
That's not good.

Vette didnt take his temporary ban too well, to say the least.

LOL...he said mean things to l'il ole me in an email.

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Oh, okay then.

Now let's hi-jack this <i>beeotch.</i>
I think we have a fully functional detection system that can track and detect a highly stealth'd aircraft, like the Raptor, at a tactically advantagous range, what do others think?


Edited by - tritonal on Dec 22 2004 11:47 PM

Tritonal its called a Phillipino Hooker..

been the scurge of navy movements Schedules forever. Till Pinatubo blew up....

"The power to Destroy the planet, is insignifigant to the power of the Air Force----Mudd Vader

I totally understand.
Say no more.

Why put up a multi-million dollar detection system when you have a pro that knows how to <i>work</i> it.

I wonder what was worse: Them, or those female East German spies back in the good ol' cold war???

hmmmm...

Don't know but the ones at Bitburg could swallow a Mean Braut!

...ahhh those were the days!

"The power to Destroy the planet, is insignifigant to the power of the Air Force----Mudd Vader

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Don't know but the ones at Bitburg could swallow a Mean Braut!

...ahhh those were the days!

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I think it's time to take a little trip the ole homeland.

"The worst football halftime show is still better than a soccer game." - Ron "Tater Salad" White.

Mudd now that vett is done. Can you tell me if programs like the f-22 have an "actucary table" if you will to tell if the program is having more or less problems than one would expect based on previous development programs. If so is this used to benchmark where a program should be at a cert point in the develment and deployment cycle. Or are these programs breaking so much new ground that they basically are on their own. I would imagin the Osprey would be a program where there is little historical data measure the program against, but wouldn't the f-22 be easy to compare with previous fighter development programs. With this comparison would the government have a number of planes in their mind that they may loose when bringing this technology into routine deployment.