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Pretty impressive for only a 50lb fill.

Edited by - Tritonal-05 on Apr 25 2005 1:27 PM

This is the demo I was referring to when I said in another thread that the F/A-22 was a credible ground pounding asset.

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i understand the move to small munitions just hope we keep the big shit available in quanity for the times when a good old fashioned carpet bombing is required. My fear is when the b-52 is retired we will loose this fear inducing component to our military plans.

I'm sold on the SDB, i didn't even need to see the video to crunch the numbers and see that it would be effective.

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Also, any of you think an SA-20 can engage something as small as that!!???
Alot of those things are gonna have the bitter residue of -757- around their perimeters

Even if the S-400 could engage SDBs, it's a very cost innefficient way to fight a war.

A single S-400 missile costs about as much as 5-10 SDBs probably.

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SA-20 can engage HARM from 20 miles away so it can probobly engage SDB but at what range and if that would be inside the SA-20 min range I dont know. SDB might be stealthier than HARM since it doesnt have a seeker in it's nose like HARM.

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SDB might be stealthier than HARM since it doesnt have a seeker in it's nose like HARM.
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I remember reading that the Triumf system was touting that it could engage 2000lb bombs. This little man appears to have the potential of being a potent SEAD weapon.

*Checkout the blast pattern: It looked like a MK-82's.

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SDB might be stealthier than HARM since it doesnt have a seeker in it's nose like HARM.
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HARM IS passive ( till the Quickbolt mod comes out ) but it still has to have antennea to "seek" and that stuff can act as a retro-reflector for RADAR moreso than the sleek nose of the SDM series.

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Also, any of you think an SA-20 can engage something as small as that!!???
Alot of those things are gonna have the bitter residue of -757- around their perimeters

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You wanna know how to defeat the SA-20 if it's tracking to you? Your best bet is to eject, and hope it doesn't home in on your seat with you in it. All of you talking smack about the SA-10/12/20 series really don't know the system that well. It's a well respected system.

"All of you "? how many "all"s are you talking about?
Has the SA-20 had any successfull combat engagements?

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I respect it Type 7.
I've heard what it can do.

That's why I'm so optimistic of this SDB, and I why I brought up the missile system in the first place.
I wonder with the PE program for the A-10 that it can maybe accomodate it.




Edited by - Tritonal-05 on Apr 26 2005 8:40 PM

I'm pretty sure they could make a stealth nose kit, make the nose look like the AALCM or something.

As for the big stuff, this'll never replace a 2000lb pill. I can see dumb 250lbers for carpet bombing though, that would mess up.

Think we'd see an A-10 with SDBs on MERs?

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JSOW is already stealthy-ish and really is a better match for a SAM site than the unitary warhead of SDB.
A-10 was apparently never cleared for MERs, but it should be able to carry it with TERs or HERs. I think I posted here once before a pic and website of SDBs and the special SMER ( Smart MER ) that they have available for it.

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Edited by - Tritonal-05 on Apr 27 2005 01:26 AM

What the heck is a HER? SMER is that new SUU-like one they made just for the SDB, right?

I remember seeing a pic of an A-10 with MERs, I think it was of one of the test planes, probably helping them decide whether or not to use them.

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What the heck is a HER? SMER is that new SUU-like one they made just for the SDB, right?

I remember seeing a pic of an A-10 with MERs, I think it was of one of the test planes, probably helping them decide whether or not to use them.

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yup, the SMER is just for the SDB.
HER is Horizontal Ejection Rack, the ones that just hold two weps side by side, Hornet uses them frequently, I have seen one of a different design ( same idea though ) on an F-16.
Yeah the early proto A-10s carried MERs on a number of occasions but I dont believe they were ever cleared for use and I've never seen one since, probly too much drag.

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The Antey-2500 is designed to combat aircraft and tactical missiles, including ballistic missiles with a launch range of up to 2,500 kilometers. The Antey-2500 mobile complex, developed on the basis of the well-known S-300V [SA-12] air defense complex, is a new-generation system, capable of autonomous combat action. It can simultaneously engage 24 aerodynamic targets, including stealth targets, or 16 ballistic targets with a RCS of up to 0.02 meters, flying at speeds of up to 4,500 m/s. Improved characteristics of the radar information facilities and optimization of radar signal processing technics make it possible to combat high-speed ballistic targets with a small radar cross section. Antey-2500 can effectively protect an area of up to 2,500 sq. km and engage targets at altitudes of 25 to 40,000 m.

The Antey-2500 employs new missiles, the 9M82M and 9M83M, whose weight and size characteristics, guidance system concept and warhead effect remain the same as those of the 9M82 and 9M83 missiles of the S-300V complex. The missiles have a significantly longer range and higher kill potential, and can engage all types of battlefield and theater, ballistic and aeroballistic missiles. The 9M82M and 9M83M missile's maneuvering characteristics have been considerably enchanced, thus allowing engagements of highly maneuverable targets. The 9M82M missile is intended to engage battlefield, theater and medium-range ballistic missiles, as well as aerodynamic targets at a distance of up to 200 km. The missile is under control throught the flight. The 9M83M missile is designed to engage battlefield and theater missiles at short and medium ranges, as well as aerodynamic targets.

The system features two different missile types that can be mixed within a single battery. A standard configuration would include six long-range 9M82E missiles and 24 shorter range 9M83E missiles. In its The 2500 system has been designed to incorporate multiple radar emitters to set up a bi-static array, which separates transmitter and receiver. Such an array has the potential to pick up signals deflected below or to the side of stealth aircraft shaped and coated for reflecting radar beams. </i>


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So they're calling it the HER instead of the BRU-57? The ones we were getting into Spang for the Vipers were called that.

They want to put SMERs on the F-117, don't know how well that'd work.

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HER is just a generic name for that style of mount, like MER or TER.

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" JSOW is already stealthy-ish and really is a better match for a SAM site than the unitary warhead of SDB. "

The unitary warhead is fine for a radar truck or dish. SDB has the accuracy, the question is does the F-22s threat management system give an accurate enough fix for a 250lb weapon to come within say 50 meters of the target to get a kill.

A follow on CBU based on the SDB technology built to fit in the bay of the F-22 would of course be better.


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