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Was going through a site on the web today. The site said during the 80's one f-15 pilot shot another f-15 pilot accidently with a live sidewinder. the incident lead to the removal a wing commander. the gist of the story is that the f-15 that was hit was able to return to base as a testiment to its sturdy construction.

did this really happen? If it did does anyone know any more about what actually happened the acount was very vague.

two incidents come to mind.
One was a Japanese F-15 that accidentally shot another one, the missle was allegedly not even launched by the pilot and apparently the exercise hadent even started, the planes were in transit together.

The other incident didnt involve a missle but rather an Isreali F-15 having a mid-air with an A-4 Skyhawk. The F-15 had one wing virtually destroyed but made it back to base, I have those pics somewhere.

Do either of these ring a bell with what you saw on the web?

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There was the Elmendorf F-15s that had the incident. Don't remember the exact year, but one of the Eagles was performing a system check on his lead, and accidently popped off a live AIM-9 which hit the lead 15. As I remember it, both 15s recovered back to base. I'll have to ask one of the C-model bubbas here about it.

shit type 7 after that how in the hell would that pilot ever fly again with another lead.

Heres a vid link to an incident involving a Hornet and Skyhawk
http://www3.strangeland.com/asp/show.asp?id=11350
...Loz.

That's actually a test F/A-18 from many years ago. It pickled a HER with an inert MK-82 still attached, the HER caught some air and "planed" right into the Scooter!

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What was the A4 doing - filming ? ...Loz.

flying chase, another plane was filming from below and behind.

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There was the Elmendorf F-15s that had the incident. Don't remember the exact year, but one of the Eagles was performing a system check on his lead, and accidently popped off a live AIM-9 which hit the lead 15. As I remember it, both 15s recovered back to base. I'll have to ask one of the C-model bubbas here about it.


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The problem was both in PACS and in the sidewinder. Yes the Elmendorf incident did involve improper PACS safe weapons procedure. However many launches took place in the 70's and eighties revolving around poor circuit boards. The 16 was well known to kill a few barns in germany. I can name more than a handful of guys that have experiances associated with poorly grounded RAIL/RAcks or other issues that caused one of these "Great white hopes" to be lit.

This is not unique to 15's or 16's, Many other aircraft and ordnance have failures from time to time. It is just the nature of devices. The more we learn the more we revise our technology, manuals, Training. Todays military is a smarter and more efficient one than it was 20 years ago. It comes from the experiance and leadership the previous generations have provided to the new.

We expect 70's Military technology to work flawlessly till 2025. Most people trade in their Automobiles in three years.

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I witnesed first card a AIM 9 launch due to a bad circuit card on an F-15. Launched right off the rail while in a Zulu alert stall. Travled about 100 yds and hit a dirt berm out in front of the alert facility. Needless to say I paid close attention to fwd firing munitions safety after that.

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I found this today
A simulated dogfight training took place between two F-15D's and four A-4N
Skyhawks over the skies of the Negev. The F-15D (#957, nicknamed 'Markia
Shchakim', 5 killmarks) was used for the conversion of a new pilot in the
squadron. Here is the description of the event as described in "Pressure
suit":

At some point I collided with one of the Skyhawks, at first I didn't
realize it. I felt a big strike, and I thought we passed through the jet
stream of one of the other aircraft. Before I could react, I saw the big fire
ball created by the explosion of the Skyhawk. The radio started to
deliver calls saying that the Skyhawk pilot has ejected, and I understood
that the fire ball was the Skyhawk, that exploded, and the pilot was ejected
automatically. There was a tremendous fuel stream going out of the wing,
and I understood it was badly damaged. The aircraft flew without control
in a strange spiral. I re-connected the electric control to the control
surfaces, and slowly gained control of the aircraft until I was straight
and level again. It was clear to me that I had to eject.

When I gained control I said : "Hey, wait, don't eject yet!". No
warning light was on and the navigation computer worked as usual; (I just
needed a warning light in my panel to indicate that I missed a wing...)"

The instructor ordered me to eject. The wing is a fuel tank, and the
fuel indicator showed 0.000 so I assumed that the jet stream sucked all the
fuel out of the other tanks. However, I remembered that the valves operate
only in one direction, so that I might have enough fuel to get to the
nearest airfield and land. I worked like a machine, wasn't scared and
didn't worry. All I knew was as long as the sucker flies, I'm gonna stay
inside.

I started to decrease the airspeed, but at that point one wing was not
enough. So I went into a spin down and to the right. A second before I
decided to eject, I pushed the throttle and lit the afterburner. I gained
speed and thus got control of the aircraft again. Next thing I did was
lower the arresting hook. A few seconds later I touched the runway at 260
knots, about twice the recommended speed, and called the tower to erect
the emergency recovery net. The hook was torn away from the fuselage because
of the high speed, but I managed to stop 10 meters before the net.

I turned back to shake the hand of my instructor, who urged me to eject,
and then I saw it for the first time - no wing !!!

The IAF (Israeli Air Force) contacted McDonnell Douglas and asked for
information about possibility to land an F-15 with one wing. MD replied
that this is aerodynamically impossible, as confirmed by computer
simulations... Then they received the photo.... After two months the
same F-15 got a new wing and returned to action.

Special thanks to Tsahi Ben Ami

This is what "Flight international" wrote about the incident:

"The most outstanding Eagle save was by a pilot from a foreign air force.
During air combat training his two seater F-15 was involved in a mid air
collision with an A-4 Skyhawk. The A-4 crashed, and the Eagle lost it's
right wing from about 2 ft. outboard. After some confusion between the
instructor who said eject, and the student who outranked his instructor
and said no, the F-15 was landed at it's desert base. Touching down at 290
knots, the hook was dropped for an approach and engagement. This slowed
the F-15 to 100 knots, when the hook weak link sheared, and the aircraft was
then braked conventionally. It is said that the student was later demoted
for disobeying his instructor, then promoted for saving the aircraft.

McDonnell Douglas attributes the saving of this aircraft to the amount of
lift generated by the engine intake/body and "a hell of a good pilot".

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The incident did happen in Alaska. It was in the AF Times. It involved the tatical ferry of a live AIM-9. I remember reading the article because I was thinking why was the misssile armed? The article explained that and also said the only one that had his rights read to him was the pilot ferrying the missile. Also the article said when he launched the missile he immediately radioed his wing man and said "that last one was hot." The wing mans reply was "No Shit." The AF times had a picture of the wounded eagle on the front page.

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dont know about good but damn he had balls.