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<i>Apparently, the approach speeds are still 3-4 knots too high even with the best they can get out of the high lift system. Looking at the plan view of this jet, it would be hard to get 6% wing area increase by extending the span alone, so they probably had to scale up the entire wing. If so, no detail design features can be saved on the old wing. The tails will need tweaking too. Is the CV version of the JSF falling apart? Watch this space.</i>

<b>Aerospace Daily: F-35 CV Design Adjusted</b> (Posted: Friday, July 08, 2005)
[Aerospace Daily & Defense Report, July 8, 2005]

JSF program tweaking design of Navy's carrier variant: The U.S. Defense Department's F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program is tweaking the design of the Navy's carrier variant (CV) to ensure the jet performs as planned.

The CV's wing area will grow to 664 square feet, an increase of 40 square feet or 6 percent, to meet the plane's speed goals for landing on aircraft carriers, said Navy Rear Adm. Steven Enewold, JSF's program executive officer.

Although the changes will add pounds to the aircraft, weight has been less of an issue for the CV than the Marine Corp's short takeoff and vertical landing (STOVL) variant.



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<b>USAF Will Adjust Plans for Legacy Fighters if JSF Delayed </b>(Posted: Thursday, July 21, 2005)
[Aerospace Daily & Defense Report, July 21, 2005]

(by) Marc Selinger

The U.S. Air Force will adjust its plans for legacy fighters if the multiservice F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program experiences more delays, a service official told a congressional panel July 20.

The Air Force plans to buy 1,763 F-35s from Lockheed Martin Corp. to replace its F-16s and <b>eventually its A-10s</b>. But the Air Force's initial fielding date for JSF already has slipped from 2011 to 2013 due to the program's weight problems, and more delays are seen as possible.

"We have a plan that goes out 20 years in front of us. If there are delays in certain kinds of aircraft, then we will have to make corrections to it," said Lt. Gen. Stephen Wood, Air Force deputy chief of staff for plans and programs, who testified before the House Armed Services Committee (HASC).

It is unclear whether the Air Force could extend the service life of legacy aircraft to maintain an adequate force structure, because F-16s <b>and A-10s</b> already are being stretched well beyond their originally planned usage levels. Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.), chairman of the HASC, suggested that the Air Force may need to buy new legacy aircraft, such as Boeing F-15s or Lockheed Martin F-16s, to fill gaps in its fighter fleet.

Concerns about next-generation fighters such as JSF have been raised before. The Navy indicated in April that it may need to buy more Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets if JSF is delayed again (DAILY, April 22).

The Air Force has said it will have to develop alternatives for equipping its fighter force if it does not get enough Lockheed Martin F/A-22 Raptors, which are designed to replace the F-15s (DAILY, Feb. 18). The Defense Department in December reduced the Air Force's F/A-22 procurement from 277 jets to 179, pushing the service even further from its goal of 381 Raptors. The Air Force is trying to reverse that downward trend.

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PostPosted: 26 Jul 2005, 00:08 
I thought the F-22 buy was restored by congress back to the 277 figure even though the USAF only requested funding for a lesser number.

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The Bush administration (DOD, i.e. Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz)) lowered the number to 179 in FY '06 request. The USAF leadership did not have any input.

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I'm almost positive congress restored funding for the 277 figure.

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<i> I especially like the quote from the un-named bureauocrat that rhetorically asks "What does Al-Queda's air force look like?". I would retort that it is composed of every airliner and private plane in the world, and some of the military planes of host countries. I know what their navy looks like too. It is Zodiac inflatables packed with explosives. Does that mean the US Navy should give up its ships and go to an all Zodiac fleet? I don't want idiots like this planning procurement of equipment for the US armed forces.</i>



By Mark Mazzetti
Los Angeles Times

WASHINGTON - The Pentagon is developing plans to slash the Air Force's two prized fighter-jet programs, according to Defense Department officials and outside experts.

Military planners are debating options to scale back the Air Force's F-35 joint strike fighter and the F/A-22 Raptor stealth fighter, both of which are built primarily by Lockheed Martin Corp. Some defense officials question spending billions of dollars on weapons that have little use against terrorist networks and other unconventional threats.

If the cutbacks occur, they will affect thousands of jobs in Fort Worth, where the midfuselage of the F/A-22 is built and the first test version of the F-35 is under construction. Lockheed Martin Aeronautics, the largest division of the giant defense contractor, employs about 16,000 people in Tarrant County, making it the county's second-largest employer.

Pentagon spokesman Lawrence DiRita said planners are still identifying which types of missions the U.S. military ought to be preparing for.

"It's definitely premature to say we're looking at cuts," said DiRita, who stressed that months still remained in the Quadrennial Defense Review and that no proposals have been presented to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. The review is due before Congress by early February.

Joe Stout, a Lockheed spokesman in Fort Worth, said Tuesday night that the company has not heard any news of significant cutback plans.

"We are aware that, as always, there are various studies going on -- one of which is the Quadrennial Defense Review -- but we haven't been advised that there are any analyses of specific alternatives that affect our programs," Stout said.

The cutbacks would be an enormous blow to the Air Force, which has spent years developing the two planes to replace its aging fleet of fighter jets. The budget cuts could encounter fierce resistance from lawmakers whose districts would be hit hard by the economic repercussions.

Lockheed's Fort Worth plant is in the district of U.S. Rep. Kay Granger, R-Fort Worth, who has argued in Congress that both planes are needed. The House has approved $4.9 billion for the development of the F-35 and $3.2 billion to build 24 more F/A-22s in next year's budget; the Senate has not completed its defense bill.

Yet, as the Pentagon conducts a top-to-bottom assessment of its arsenal, defense officials are mindful that the military buildup that followed 9-11 is coming to an end. The war in Iraq, which costs the Defense Department more than $4 billion per month, is contributing to the budget squeeze jeopardizing some of the Pentagon's most desired programs.

The joint strike fighter program is projected to cost $245 billion, a price tag shared by the Air Force, the Navy, the Marine Corps and nine U.S. allies, including the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, Denmark and Turkey. It is the Pentagon's most expensive weapons program, and the Air Force has by far the largest part of the budget, hoping to buy 1,763 of the planes to replace the F-16 fighter.

The F-35's first test flight is scheduled for August 2006.

The Air Force also plans to acquire 179 F/A-22s, each costing about $345 million. That number already represents a substantial cut from original plans.

A Pentagon decision to scale back the fighter programs would be the strongest signal yet of a significant change in strategic priorities. With Rumsfeld trying to transform the military to deal with unconventional threats, many say weapons built for dogfighting and eluding enemy radar are increasingly irrelevant.

<b>"What does al Qaeda's air force look like?" said one defense official working on the Pentagon's assessment.</b>

The Pentagon's overall budget is expected to grow by just 8 percent through fiscal 2011. But the Pentagon estimates that its budget for new weapons will grow by 34 percent.

Because U.S. troops are heavily engaged in the Middle East and Central Asia, officials say there is little room to cut personnel costs from the Pentagon budget. Weapons, they say, are the only target for cost reductions.

Some inside the Defense Department say that the deepest cuts could come in the joint strike fighter program. According to one source, the Pentagon could cut the Air Force's allotment of the planes by half.

Officials involved in the review process say that the option of canceling one or both of the programs is on the table, although it is extremely unlikely -- in part because such a move would cause an immediate furor among members of Congress. The fact that close allies are involved in developing the F-35 is another factor that should keep the program alive, the officials said.

(Dave Montgomery of the Star-Telegram Washington Bureau Contributed to This Report, Which Includes Material From Star-Telegram Reports.)


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I thought the F-22 buy was restored by congress back to the 277 figure even though the USAF only requested funding for a lesser number.
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I'm confused too, but I think you are referring to the attempt to lower the number of F-22's procured this year, which is different from the total number. The Congress restored full funding for the planned yearly production (was it 24?). The cut in numbers would come from the out year production, which ironicaly are the most cost effective buys. It's a topsy turvy world.

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All i remember was that they restored 10 billion to the funding or something. It's a soap opera and i don't always get to see every episode. ;)

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