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You just can't make this stuff up!

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So whats your point? Stuff like this happens from time to time.

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No internal or external canopy handles ?

When I was at Spang back a few years ago we went TDY to Slovikia, we had a pilot close the canopy on his O2 hose. I was on nights this happened on days so I might be off a little on the facts but it went something like this.....

Since it was not completely locked or unlocked it jammed. He was stuck for quite a while. They were even feeding him water through a JOAP tube! It wouldn't unlock electrically or manually. I think a crew chief finally said screw it and cut the O2 hose with a leatherman. Yes I know personal tool, oh my the horror! But it saved the day.

Now heres the best part, we had a 7lvl crew chief that was very by the book to say the least. He no kidding wrote up in the forms, on a red X "Pilot stuck in cockpit" He wasn't joking either. I scanned the 781 and had it for years but lost it a while back due to a HD failure. Wish I still had it to post.

The canopy was jammed in the neither unlocked or locked position. There is a way to manually open the canopy but it wasnt available to them in this instance. I have read a fair amount of armchair engineers/mechanics thoughts on this incident.
1. Jettison the canopy. It would have ruined the frame and cost ALOT more than just cutting a hole in the canopy.
2. Ejection. Are you freakin nuts?

Evidently folks havent spent any time around aircraft that have canopy's and ejection systems, because I can think of an instance in every type of airframe that I have worked on where this has heppened and cutting the occupant out was the final fix.

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Last I knew the Hawg had two manual release handles one for the canopy stuck closed and one for it stuck partially closed. Er......... and the last I knew was just a couple of minutes ago so I dont think theres been time for a change. Someone wanna explain to me what I am missing here. I understand with the F22 that there may not be a canopy manual disengage handle, but the Hawg story just doesnt sound anything but hokey. Sorry.

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On a hawg if you close the canopy on, lets see oh a T.O., O2 hose, basically anything less than a 1/2 inch tall etc.... It can jam binding the front bayonets and putting pressure on the links behind the seat where you disco the canopy. The actuator dosent have the umph to lift and move it past the bayonet rollers, usually popping the breaker, or if you are unlucky frying the motor. In the instance above it also had enough pressure so even the extrnal or the internal manual levers couldnt disco it. Once the O2 hose, T.O., obstruction, etc is removed the canopy can be fully lowered then pressure is relieved and it unlocks.
Actually I have had actuators go dead when I was opening the canopy only allowing it to raise a 1/4 inch or so and it was a mother to manually disco it just to get in to change the actuator.

I have personnaly seen T.O.'s, O2 hoses, pilot helmets, and shirts closed in the hawg. Thats why everytime I close the canopy I climb up and make sure someone hasnt left something up there. Just some good advice to the young hawg fixers and flyers out there that few seconds of ladder climbing may save you a few hours of changing canopy actuators or even a canopy seal, and worse case a busted canopy seal rail.

Just my 2 cents.

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Last I knew the Hawg had two manual release handles one for the canopy stuck closed and one for it stuck partially closed. Er......... and the last I knew was just a couple of minutes ago so I dont think theres been time for a change. Someone wanna explain to me what I am missing here. I understand with the F22 that there may not be a canopy manual disengage handle, but the Hawg story just doesnt sound anything but hokey. Sorry.

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Don't remember who it was but we had a guy get himself stuck in an A-10 at moody...if memory serves me correctly...he was getting the jet ready in the morning and put the seat cover behind him, when he shut the canopy and tried to reopen it it got jammed, because the canopy wasn't fully closed the manual release wouldn't work...they ended up either cutting him our or he used the canopy breaker tool...can't remember which...Dice...do you remember this? I remember coming in on swing and he was still stuck, had fed him drinking water through a joap tube all day....

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Saw a pilot close the canopy on his NVG case. Luckily the NVG's weren't in there. They ended up prying the flexible casse out after cutting it with a sawzall. Did some damage to the jet but that got fixed.

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Dang, I don't feel so bad now. Back in 79, I was in the cockpit running the APU and one of the guys on my load crew kept F*&kin with me and closing the canopy. I'm a little caustrophobic and kept opening it back up. Finally the CB popped, but none of us knew where it was and I was stuck up there for almost an hour. I'll tell you, thoughts of pulling that canopy jett handle crossed my thoughts more than once, but I couldn't afford a new canopy at that time.

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I guess I just don't usually hear of stories where a pilot (imagine the ego being crushed) locks himself in the pit behind a faulty canopy. I'm surprised that given the extensive F-16 experience LM has obtained that a situation like this could have risen in the F-22. Obviously I haven't been up close to a JSF (well, neither an F-22 for that matter,) but the JSF's new canopy hinging from the front makes me leery. I thought the F-16 canopy/pit was a great design and it looks awfully similar from a distance at least to the F-22's.

The F-22 and the F-16 canopy's have almost nothing in common. They are both electric other than that the actuators are night and day different. I would imagine that this incident will drive a hard look at certain aspects of the design(I personally dont care for the lack of a manual disconnect feature in the cockpit). There is a manual way to open the cockpit from the outside but it was jammed in this incidence and even at its best its cumbersome to use as it takes 3000 revolutions of the mechanism to open the canopy, the F-16 takes only 42. Its not unheard of to have to cut out pilots from their jets, the F-22 just gets more than its fair share of media attention lately (good or bad).

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Production F-35s are supposed to hinge from the rear like other planes.

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Back in the 80's at EAFB the pilots would sometimes "Crack the Canopy" either when it was "HOT "outside.
That damn actuator would "Give out" due to the weight and heat.
The Canopy would get stuck and we'd end-up aborting the mission or doing some real "QUICK" canopy work.
Col Jamerson made it a "Rule" the canopy was either ALL THE WAY-UP, or ALL THE WAY DOWN after it became a "PAIN IN THE ASS".
I know its not a cool thing to manually disengage the Canopy lock and straddle the rails to get it in the maintance position with a pilot in the seat, (and it was only male pilots then)
Then re-connect the "Claw" and see if it still worked or "RED-BALL" AN ACTUATOR to the Jet and R&R it standing on a ladder straddling the rail doing it.
Would R&R the actuator and just write-up "Cannon plug not safety wired" and get the bird off the ground trying to make the "TOT"

But it is a bitch to change out I got real good at it with 166 while it was "Known for the Canopy stuck" problem for awhile. We kept spare actuators in the truck all the time.

I would think that they'll have to figure out how to "Extract" a pilot without breaking or cutting the Canopy.

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Don't remember who it was but we had a guy get himself stuck in an A-10 at moody...if memory serves me correctly...he was getting the jet ready in the morning and put the seat cover behind him, when he shut the canopy and tried to reopen it it got jammed, because the canopy wasn't fully closed the manual release wouldn't work...they ended up either cutting him our or he used the canopy breaker tool...can't remember which...Dice...do you remember this? I remember coming in on swing and he was still stuck, had fed him drinking water through a joap tube all day....
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Paul, that would have been Lescano <sp>, I can't say for sure which method they used to get him out but it seems like I remember hearing that he used the canopy breaker tool.

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Don't remember who it was but we had a guy get himself stuck in an A-10 at moody...if memory serves me correctly...he was getting the jet ready in the morning and put the seat cover behind him, when he shut the canopy and tried to reopen it it got jammed, because the canopy wasn't fully closed the manual release wouldn't work...they ended up either cutting him our or he used the canopy breaker tool...can't remember which...Dice...do you remember this? I remember coming in on swing and he was still stuck, had fed him drinking water through a joap tube all day....
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Paul, that would have been Lescano <sp>, I can't say for sure which method they used to get him out but it seems like I remember hearing that he used the canopy breaker tool.

capche-capche da - we go forward together

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I remember there were so many people around that get when I got to work that day too...can't believe that was over 10 years ago...

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Production F-35s are supposed to hinge from the rear like other planes.

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I like the F-22 a lot but how in the hell can the USAF get their numbers significantly reduced on the B-2 and the F-22 but the Marines can continue to get full (and thensome) funding for the way overpriced (compared to readily available alternatives) V-22 program?

Now that is the $64,000 question!

Nope, $186000 question!
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Some poor airman has to clean all that oil and glass up....talk about FOD....



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And all F-22s are being retro-fitted with a longer bolt with some goo on the end lol. The problem came from a bolt that had wiggled loose.

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