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Boeing's competition to replace the KC-135:

http://www.is.northropgrumman.com/kc30/

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If it dont say Boeing on the side it aint no good.
Glad you finally got a cool avatar

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According to 30Mm jr, "If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going!" On the other hand falling out of the sky in stressed out airframes isn't an attractive alternative.

All the avatar needs now is a GAU-8. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Edited by - 30mike-mike on Jun 12 2006 09:35

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I hate to admit it but I could go for an A330 tanker. Airbus I know are totally designed on a computer screen by french <img src=newicons/anim_puke.gif border=0 align=middle> and other nations but they are good jets and lets face it we aint got much new options to look at.

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Plus thier composite structures may be delaminating in the pressense of hydraulic fluid. This might turn into a HUGE story.

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I knew you'd rise to the challenge, boomer! Thanks.

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I can't believe the Air Force would even consider a french built piece of $hit. The 330 is not any newer than the 767, matter of fact, it shares a bunch of stuff with the 300, first designed in the 70's. The A330 basic fuselage design is inherited from the Airbus A300, as is the nose/cockpit section and the fly-by-wire system and flightdeck from the Airbus A320. Just what this country needs, something else to increase our balance of payments deficit.

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Some days it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints

PLus the KC-767 is already nearly up and running for Italy and Japan.
John "worship me I'm a hero Dem in Repub cloths" McCaine has cost us many millions dragging a simple desicsion out to the right side of the ledger just so he can play BMOC.

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The Wife has a cousin who is a "BIG WIG" at AIRBUS and her Aunt was talking about "How great he says the Jet is and The US cant compete with it in any league and it should be the New Tanker "<img src=newicons/anim_puke.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/spit.gif border=0 align=middle>

I told her Aunt " Boeing has been flying WITH the KC-135 for more than 30 yrs plus and it was the "Looking Glass" with never an Accident in all its time it was flying and that was AROUND THE CLOCK 24-7 365 DAYS FOR just about as long".Plus the E-3A-B PLATFORMS not including so many others like AIRFORCE 1.
I forgot the Biggest one of all the "BUFF or B-52"

The KC-10 from M-D is another Great Tanker so tell him to
"Stick with the China Market and stay out of our military Market"

Oh he's one of the "Pencil pushers for the Landing gear design" I told her to tell him to "Install a door so they can get out and "KICK THE GEAR DOWN" when it fails to work"



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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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(1706 - 1790)





Edited by - sgtgoose1 on Jun 14 2006 05:12

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Call me crazy, but I get nervous flying in anything that doesn't let the pilot have the final say on emergency maneuvering... An airbus (or, as we near Seattle call them, Scare-bus) won't LET you fly the jet past recomended stress limits, even if you are about to fly into a hillside. <img src=newicons/anim_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>
I guess I would rather have the pilot put some stress cracks in the jet and make an emergency landing than just let it hit the hillside. Just my preference..... <img src=newicons/Whatever_anim.gif border=0 align=middle>

Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a GAU-8A at your side, kid...--Hawg Solo

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<img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle> My computer crashes too much to leave my life in one at 30,000ft
Besides is "God" the computers "Co-Pilot" or is some French Dude who programmed the Box?


Goose

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin,
(1706 - 1790)

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Boeing products are now fully computer controlled too guys, Boeing just gives a bit more authority to the pilot than Airbus does. I just oppose the KC-30 for politicle and economic reasons. I think Boeing has more reasons to build a quality product than the guaranteed existance status that Airbus enjoys.

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Computers are fine for all those niggling little things like normal take-offs and landings, enroute, etc. But if the SHTF I want a butt-in-the-seat, HOTAS, Mark I eyeball pilot who has a personal vested interest in surviving to have control.

The Second Amendment: America's original homeland security.
Ya just can’t take life too seriously, because you aren’t going to get out of it alive anyway.

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\"Those who hammer their guns into plows
will plow for those who do not.\"
- Thomas Jefferson

Its USA made and a Pilot in the seat making the "Final Call" the ONLY WAY.
Military Contracts should be "USA ONLY"

If I'm not mistaken Flight 242(?) where the DC-10 crashed in
Sioux City Iowa due to "Complete Hydraulic failure" and over half the Passengers still lived due to the Crew making calls the Checklist didnt have. The Iowa ANG base they made a movie of it.

They set the exact same problem up in a Mock-up DC-10 AND NO PILOT OR COMPUTER has ever been able to do what the crew did on that day.
So call me a "Dino Smart ASS" but I want a "AIR STICK ACTUATOR " in the seat of ANYTHING I RIDE IN that can over ride anything the Computer wants.

The Pilot will have a better chance of "GOD BEING THE CO-PILOT."

Goose

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin,
(1706 - 1790)

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+1 "Dino Smart ASS" <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

The Second Amendment: America's original homeland security.
Ya just can’t take life too seriously, because you aren’t going to get out of it alive anyway.

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\"Those who hammer their guns into plows
will plow for those who do not.\"
- Thomas Jefferson

Yes, Boeing jets are computer controlled as well. But overridable.

Having a few hours in an actual 777 simulator, I am all too well aware of that, as thanks to my "maneuvering", there would have been a few stress cracks if I were flying the real thing, BUT WE SURVIVED AND "LANDED" (a little rough though, heehee)
And actually, they are a little too easy to fly.... face it down the runway, program where you are to where you are going, press a button, and it will do EVERYTHING until you have to hit the brakes when you land! Getting awfully terrorist-friendly if you ask me!
But the pilot, not the computer, should always have the final say! At least in anything I fly in!

Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a GAU-8A at your side, kid...--Hawg Solo

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Get a Chance and Look at Boeings stock over AIRBUSS, Airbuss is getting KILLED!!!!!
Beoing UP UP UP !


Goose

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin,
(1706 - 1790)

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\"Live Free Or Die\"

Unless Boeing builds a KC-787 than the KC-330 is the better aircraft (than the elderly KC-767) and EADS should get the contract.

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I don't know the dash number Boeing is using for the tanker but the 400 version of the 767 was first introduced at the Farnborough airshow in 2000 (hardly qualifies for the "elderly" moniker) and shares a bunch of stuff with the triple seven including a Gee Whiz cockpit. The 767 has a 40 foot shorter wingspan with almost identical performance numbers to the 330. If you don't think 40 feet is a big deal, you've never tried to stack a ramp or find room in a hangar. Unless you're from Alabama, there's no real reason to push for an EADS aircraft..my problem with EADS is the first letter.

OC

Some days it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints