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PostPosted: 21 Jun 2003, 21:21 
This is a place that the gear heads here like CapC, Myself, Flyboy, and Hogmender(remember him?) can post pictures and talk about our toys without hijacking the other threads.

Just post all car related stuff here.

Here, i'll start...

http://community.webshots.com/photo/630 ... 2920wDZPSt

http://community.webshots.com/photo/630 ... 4768sXvckY

http://community.webshots.com/photo/630 ... 3988fsshbB

Let's see everyone else's rides. Even M&M's Caddy is welcome here!

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PostPosted: 22 Jun 2003, 04:33 
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Is it me, or is the Porsche in the first picture actually ON your lawn?

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PostPosted: 22 Jun 2003, 17:55 
Nope, that would be a spiral driveway.

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PostPosted: 22 Jun 2003, 20:22 
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Sniper, I can't believe you have the <i>Risky Business</i> Porsche.


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PostPosted: 22 Jun 2003, 20:46 
It's also the Scarface Tony Montana Porsche(and the same exact color) with the "machine gun turrets and scanners....for da flying saucers."

Mine's nicer though, i have the rear wing and the moonroof. Montana had niether, and Cruise had only the wing, hehehe. Mine has also never been sunk in a river...

Mechanic in Risky Business, "OK, who's the U boat captain?"

LOL!



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PostPosted: 22 Jun 2003, 21:08 
BTW, my partner has one of these too.

Here is a bunch of pix of mine and his posing together, then one of each since we both put the new rims on.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/630 ... 8453SoEwVa

http://community.webshots.com/photo/630 ... 8692tmNKzA

http://community.webshots.com/photo/630 ... 9942XXJUCf

New rims.

His...

http://community.webshots.com/photo/630 ... 4831WEILiP

Mine...

http://community.webshots.com/photo/630 ... 2734VhqlQC

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PostPosted: 22 Jun 2003, 22:15 
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>"OK, who's the U boat captain?"
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

Heh, heh...
Yeah, that was a good line!


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I like this pic. most of all:
<img src="http://community.webshots.com/sym/image4/6/84/69/69868469QaeDKr_ph.jpg" border=0>



Edited by - Tritonal on Jun 22 2003 9:18 PM


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PostPosted: 23 Jun 2003, 00:06 
Pic don't work.

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PostPosted: 23 Jun 2003, 00:42 
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Whats is that in the dudes hand?

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PostPosted: 23 Jun 2003, 09:16 
LOL!

Ahhhhh, the work Pics.

BR, that is a 4 cell Maglite.

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PostPosted: 23 Jun 2003, 14:37 
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Those pics show for second, then when you change pages it disappears.


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And what exactly is it doing? Way too many black and points of light to make anything out.

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PostPosted: 23 Jun 2003, 15:19 
BR, you lost me.

Tritonal, if you cut and paste the URL, it works.

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PostPosted: 23 Jun 2003, 20:50 
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Camaro mods:

Modifications to the car at the time of the chip purchase:
1. 3.42 Richmond gears with an Auburn Gear limited slip
2. Swapped to a “beefed” 1989 700R4 with a TransGo shift kit. Shifts at 5500 RPM and will hold 4th gear at full throttle. (152 mph before the head work and 52MM throttle body)
3. 2500 rpm stall converter (lockup still works).
4. Transmission cooler.
5. Polyurethane transmission and torque arm mounts.
6. Polyurethane motor mounts.
7. 4 bolt roller cam block.
8. ZZ4 hydraulic roller cam. Speed Pro lifters
9. Erson 1.5 roller rockers
10. TRW 2256 forged pistons. Compression set at 9.0:1 by shop.
11. Speed Pro Dura-Moly rings.
12. World Products S/R Torquer heads, pocket ported with 2.02 Intake (245 cfm) and 1.60 Exhaust (170 cfm) stainless steel valves with back cut stems
13. Hardened push rods
14. Edelbrock large port intake manifold.
15. Edelbrock large port runners.
16. Port matched the Plenum to the runners (I use Mr. Gasket uppers and Edelbrock lower gaskets) and ported the throttle body throat.
17. Edelbrock/BBK 52MM throttle body.
18. Ported MAF sensor. (Good for 2.5 tenths)
19. Accel air filters.
20. ADS 23.92 lb.hr. injectors.
21. Mid-America Corvette Adjustable fuel pressure regulator.
22. Buick Grand National fuel pump. (Large Bosch unit to be installed
23. Hedman 1 5/8” tube street legal shorty headers with HPC protective coating.
24. 3” Exhaust cutout in front of the Cat.
25. High flow 3” single Cat.
26. Dynomax 3” Cat back exhaust with a 3 chamber Flowmaster muffler (single 3” inlet on the passenger side and dual 2.5” outlets on driver’s side)
27. Mallory HEI module in the distributor.
28. Hypertech 53,000 volt coil.
29. Accel 300+ race wires.
30. Flowkooler water pump.
31. Robert Shaw high flow 160 degree thermostat (looks to be the same as the Mr. Gasket).
32. Be Cool Aluminum Radiator (custom fit unit) which has two 1” cores..
33. 16” electric fan behind the radiator, wired to come on at 205 degree and cool to 190 degree. I also have a bypass switch to turn it on anytime I want.
34. 14” electric fan in front of the A/C condenser that comes on when I start the car and runs continuously .
35. 800 CCA sealed (dry cell type) battery.
36. Adapted a 1989 computer to the wiring system and running a custom ($600.00) EPROM. (I can unplug the adapter and computer and can plug in my 1985 computer at will). The adapter bypasses the 1985 system cold start injector on startup and doesn’t run the fans at all.
37. PST trailing Arms
38. Polyurethane bushings/endlinks front and rear.
39. Monroe Formula GP shocks and KYB struts (they don't make the Formula GP's anymore or I would still be running them up front)
40. Totally rebuilt front end (inner and outer tie rod ends and collars, steering box, ball joints, steering arm. Pittman arm, center link, rag joint, and the other mentioned items.


I can only give it half throttle off the line (no slicks) and it lays over at half track because it's running out of air due to the MAF being too small. So I'm only running 14.3 @ 98.45 MPH at Bakersfield in the summer (100 degree weather). Guys who run at both Pomona and Bakersfield said that Pomona is a half second faster than Bakersfield, so it should be in the upper 13's. With the Accel DFI Gen VII computer, elimination of the MAF and conversion to the MAP, I should knock a full second off that time.

I've had the car over 150 mph before I did the head work and added the larger throttle body. Don't know what it does now. The cam makes power to 5500 rpm, holds flat to 5750 rpm and starts dying quickly after that. I've had it wind to 6500 in 3rd gear but it really isn't pulling "hard" so all you are doing is wasting time and gas. I make my shifts at 5500.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Edited by - Captain C on Jun 23 2003 7:51 PM


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PostPosted: 24 Jun 2003, 09:12 
Nice compreshensive list CapC.

It seems like your car might be well suited to bigger injectors as well. Say perhaps 30# units. I think after you convert to the new metering system and fuel pump you might run into a lean condition with the 24#'s.

The Porsche 928 is mainly stock, with a few modifications. Motor is a 4.7liter DOHC sequential port fuel injected all-alloy V-8 running at 9.4:1 compression. The red line is 6500RPM.
It was factory rated at 234 horse, which could be one of the greatest manufacturer HP under-ratings of all time. The 83' Euro is rated at 300hp, and if i had to guess, i'd say the US motor is really more like 275horse.
I've moved the timing up several degrees(dyno runs on other stock 83's have shown a FIFTY horsepower increase through no more than timing advancements), and a Devek racing radiator has been installed. Future mods will include an adj. fuel pressure regulator, fuel rail pressure gage, and a 3 1/2" manifold back exhaust(no cat).

The car is rated to 147mph off the showroom floor, and i've personally had it to 138mph at 3,500 rpm's in 4th gear.

Havn't had it to the track yet, but i've ran door to door with a 2003 BMV V-12 from 0-120, and blown the doors off of a 300ZX twin turbo, among others. If i were to guess, i'd say it is about a 14 flat in the quarter. All pretty amazing considering the Porsche has a 2.20:1 rear gearing!

The GN is in the middile of a full resto, and should be well into the 12's, running a .030 balanced and blueprinted 3.8 SFI V-6 at 14-16lbs of boost.

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PostPosted: 24 Jun 2003, 18:43 
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The 24# injectors are definitely going to be the bare minimum after I get the new computer in it and eliminate the mass air flow sensor. Supposedly they will handle 380 hp at 43.5# fuel pressure, but I will still be quicker with the larger injectors. Also with the 30# injectors I'll have a little room for NOS should I decide to do that….

I'm also thinking of converting to the new Holly Stealth Ram TPI manifold in order to eliminate those pesky runner leaks with the Edelbrock system. It won't be smog legal so I will need to keep the stock stuff (which I have all of). I'm going to see if I can come up with an extra set of injector rails so I can leave the old system together as much as possible. I have to smog the car every two years so I will need to put everything back at that time.

What are you running for a fuel pump in the GN????

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PostPosted: 25 Jun 2003, 00:10 
I have an aftermarket Poston pump in the Buick. I can't remember the GPH figure, but it's about 30% over the stock GN unit.

I run 30# injectors in that too. That's a good size right up to 450 horse, so i should be A OK there.

The GN also has the 3" downpipe, 2.5" turbine inlet pipe, and 2.5" crossover pipe. Those few changes are typicly good for a full 1 second reduction in the GN's factory 1/4 mile time of 14.5

Coupled with the increased boost(5lbs over the stock boost of 11lbs), better cold air system, and 30# injectors i expect to get 12.8's out of it. The rear is a 10 bolt 3.73 posi fed through a strip prepped TH350.

It doesn't corner worth a damn, but i got that covered with the 928. ;)

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Look for a few suspension parts out of a Monte Carlo SS (has the same rear end) and you might make a corner cutter out of it yet, especially with only a V-6 for weight over the front wheels. Didn't the GN have 27# injector to start with? Did you consider the 36# injectors? Ha! Ha! Who am I to talk, I knew I should have gone with the 30# injectors to start with..... There just wasn't as much free information about TPI 12 years ago when I first stated buying parts for this engine as there is now....<img src=icon_smile_dead.gif border=0 align=middle>

BTW, wish I had that differential in my car. I have that wimpy 7 5/8" disc brake rear-end. Yours is an 8.5" IIRC. Unfortunately, yours has leaf springs, mine has coil springs......<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>

You do know the next step on the GN is a larger turbo…. That should get you into the low 11's, maybe 10's. They do make a bullet proof block for your V-6 too. Just in case you wanted to add a 300 HP NOS kit….
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PostPosted: 25 Jun 2003, 01:40 
Actually, i do have the Stage I turbo, it flows about 100 CFM more air than the stock unit. Guess i forgot to mention that!

The GN's came stock with 19lb injectors(pre intercooled), and 24lb injectors(Intercooled).

The GN uses Coil spring suspension, and i also have Gabriel Coil-over gas charged shocks, but i have a totally different concept of what a good handling car is now that i got the 928.

It really has to be experienced to be believed. I USED to think the GN was a pretty good handler until i took turns in the Porsche at speeds that the GN would literally flip over at. I also had an 85 TA with the FE-4 handling package, and it wasn't even close to the Porsche.
The only cars i have ever drove that remotely compare to the handling of the 928 were my old man's 87 Maserati Bi-Turbo convertible(now that was a cool car, and absolutely terrifying under full boost!), and my cousins 94 Mazda Miata(underpowered but a tremendous cornering machine).

When it comes to braking, i have never before in my life experienced the brute stopping force that the 928 possesses. I read not long ago that the 83' US 928(My year), will do 0-60-0 in less distance than an 83 Mustang GT will do 0-60. That's a pretty impressive feat!

The 928 was the Porsche flagship(and also the fastest production car in the world every year it was made), and when you drive it, it's obvious why people laid such ridiculous cash out for them...power, acceleration, top end, handling, braking, styling, wow effect, a fine leather interior of decadent comfort, with real world reliability, and the finest german engineering, all combine to make the Porsche motto totally accurate.

Porsche....there is no substitute ;)

Fortunately, the 911 snobs(Porsche's core customers) didn't take to the front engined non-turbo V-8 928, so they are quite reasonable to acquire. The internet makes them quite affordable to own(Parts online cost about the same as they do for the typical late model ford).
You can get a 928 for a very reasonable price on Ebay, even the later years. The last year it was made(94), the 928S4 had 388HP, did 188mph, and cost $98,000. I've seen them on ebay for about $30,000 with under 30,000 miles!
I often see the earlier years(78-82) on ebay for about $3000-5000!

Mine has a book value of $12,000 and cost $50,000 when it was new. I paid all of $3,700 bucks for it with only 70,000 original miles. :)
I frankly consider it to be the wisest purchase of my entire life, and i plan to keep it forever.

I do still love a GM musclecar though, and i always will.

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PostPosted: 25 Jun 2003, 02:01 
Oh, BTW, the GN has a 2800RPM stall converter. Should let me launch her at 10+lbs of boost.

I honestly can't wait till it's done, but it will still be quite a while before it's finished. :(

Here's a new pic of the 928 motor after i really cleaned up the engine compartment. I used wheel acid on all the metal surfaces. It literally eats off the top layer of metal, leaving a brand new satin finish. Great stuff, i highly reccomend it.

A pic of the motor when i got the car...

http://community.webshots.com/photo/630 ... 2056YJxGVS

Pre wheel acid after detailing...

http://community.webshots.com/photo/630 ... 1689ZyENFK

(Note the mottled appearance of the aluminum parts)

How it looks today after the wheel acid treatment...

http://community.webshots.com/photo/630 ... 2175dIUBoj





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PostPosted: 25 Jun 2003, 15:05 
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The engine looks good!!! That's what mine will look like after I detail it. Yeah, the mag wheel cleaner does excellent work on aluminum engine parts. Armorall does wonders for hoses and paint under the hood.

Those coilovers have got to make for a horrible ride and way too much bounce over less than perfectly smooth roads. Try using some springs that lower the car without increasing the spring rate. I would also seriously consider Koni shocks, soft ride with awesome control. I love the polyurethane bushings in my Camaro, it goes exactly where you point it, exactly when you point it. No twitching at all…. You should also install some aftermarket trailing arms with the larger Polyurethane bushings. You will be amazed at what they do for you. No more fishtailing off the line (unless you intentionally induce it) or that "seriously nasty" sideways twitch when you hit second and third spinning the tires. The tires spin less, and you keep going straight the whole time.

As far as the brakes go, there are factory 12" front brakes you can install. 12" on the back may require a little work on your rearend. Rather than describe what all parts you need, I would rather suggest you call a company that specializes in kits for your car. You will be amazed at the transformation in your GN.

My Camaro will stick with a 911 Turbo, power and handling wise for a few miles on really curvy roads (where he can't take full advantage of his turbo) until the tires start going away. The light weight of the 911 is much easier on tires, of course he could have been a lousy driver too……. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>


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PostPosted: 25 Jun 2003, 18:08 
The 911 is by far not the equal of the 928 in the handling dept.

Actually, the 911 is one of the trickiest cars in the world to corner in. To say it is finicky and unpredictable is a MAJOR understatement!

Thanx for the tips.

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PostPosted: 25 Jun 2003, 18:28 
BTW, i used wheel acid to clean the motor, not mag cleaner. Wheel acid is industrial grade acid, it literally eats the top layer of metal off leaving a brand new surface.

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hey sniper, did you say they stop makeing the porsche? I hope not.

I can't say my fords fast but it is beautiful, deffiently a show car be for a racer! but it doesn't mean I didn't supe it up a bit...I'm putting dule-exhaust soon. heres a picture <img src="http://www.prinzinger.com/wmustang.gif" border=0>

original AC, pony interior, deluxe streering wheel worth $300, orginal engine rebuilt oh maybe 13,000 miles ago maybe less, shift kit on 3 speed automatic, new tires! I'm not spining them any time soon. Fuel injection, electronic ignition, Capactator Discarge new coil (can't remember how big) and electronic points 8.8 wires and new pluges, new paint job, it sucked that VDOT put gravel on top of our paved road a month after the paint job. and crome Valve covers!

I can't quiet remember the exact details but I'll have them tomorrow.

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