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Some have spec'd that this is the camo version, it is not.
Some have spec'd that it is Have Blue, it is not.

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That's the paint scheme that skunk works came up with that was supposedly best for night flying.

The USAF wanted it black though.

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Some have spec'd that this is the camo version, it is not.
Some have spec'd that it is Have Blue, it is not.

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Where are the vertical tails?

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Did a good job hiding the fish line, too, boomer!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Did a good job hiding the fish line, too, boomer!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Dudes, go to the website, look them over, think "tarp." But judging by the rear stab stub sizes and that they appear to end with the fuselage rather than extending a few feet out, I'm thinking 117 proto. A date would be nice, too.

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if I remember right, HAVE Blue had its tail surfaces in a different configuration to the pic depicted here and the production F117A Night hawk.

Id say that was a prototype scheme for planned daylight operations, and to help keep the heat down whilst in the new mexico desert, however, Black was chosen, ho well!

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Horrido and I were talking about this last night, pay no attention to his stab placement ravings as he has severe tire damage between his ears LOL
( I have 19 other pics and it doesnt have any camo pattern to it at all)
In this drawing (and prkiii's camo bird)you can see the almost all moving rudders are mounted on a very short stubb at the aft of the "platypus" exhaust, the rudders are removed in the "green" pic.
<img src="http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-117-line.gif" border=0>

also notice there appears to be a chunk missing out of the nose just forward of the cockpit at the very bottom of the plane, the dark shadow that SHOULD be the same color as the rest, perhaps an avionics fairing was removed.

Ford and others have been making full size 4 door pick-ups(not Super cabs, I think they called em Crew Cabs) since I was a lil boy. I think the Forest Service bought a bunch of them, so using THAT as a time marker would be less than reliable.

My best guess is it was at Tonapah(but I dont know what the mountains near Tonapah look like) (in the other pics you can see a Rail-Road crossing marker on a road in the fore-ground and I dont think any RR's ran through Groom Lake lol ) and that it was being towed for maintainence from one hanger to another in the days before it was acknowledged to the public and so it was covered by a tarp (even over the cockpit) to help blend it into the desert to make it harder for a sattelite or something to get a good look at it. The desert temps had nothing to do with it since one of the main reasons for announcing it to the public was so it could be free to be flown in the daytime. Another possibility is that it had just arrived in a C-5 and was being towed for final assembly and check-out, but the wings appear to be attached at least by the time the pic was taken.

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fish line? DUDE think Matchbox, notice the fore-ground is out of focus lol :P

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Though I may occasionally get high on engine exhaust, the skidmarks are all on Boomer, in this case...

Please read:

http://www.f-117a.com/Senior.html

You will find, to my credit, these quotes:

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>For example, FSD-1 (#79-780) showed stability and control problems that did not show up during wind tunnel tests. [i]<b>This was rectified by enlarging and lengthening the tail fin,</b> and changing the tail fin from a four faceted diamond shaped cross section to a six sided hexagon cross section.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

Thus, the trailing edge of the fin NOW extends a few feet BEYOND the end of the platypus tail, like I said. It does not appear to in the above trailer pics.

Also, regarding colors:

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> FSD-1 was originally delivered unpainted (See earlier picture on this page) and was painted in a camouflage paint scheme for it's first flight. That was abandoned for the standard gray used on all four subsequent flight test aircraft.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

I think it's a tarp because the canopy is covered, as are the air intakes (though the screen may be enough to conceal them on their own from that angle).

Now, let's compare tails...

Early:
<img src="http://www.f-117a.com/images/Senior/f117p15.jpg" border=0>

Late:
<img src="http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f117a-002.jpg" border=0>

See how the tail's trailing edge extends past the fuselage in the later model?

I still say you want to keep it covered from heat, as well, because prolonged direct sun exposure is going to mess things up while you're towing it.

They say, "To understand a man, you have to walk a mile in his shoes," but his clownshoe proved a most uncomfortable fit.

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Horrido is right about the two different tails, but looking at a larger pic and playing around with the contrast and such just barely shows the newer style of tail but it is VERY hard to see and maybee might be could be either version, the colors of the plane and background are just to close. I HAVE just learned the pics were taken on Jan-12 but dont know what year lol hardly a scorcher of a day I would think.

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ok, he tells me Jan-12 2004 so the pics are about 2 weeks old.

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Okay, cool Boomer, thanks!

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ok, I just talked to him again this morning, he said he took the pics in Palmdale, and wanted me to break the link for bandwidth purposes with Earthlink.

prkiii would you disable your link as well, thanks.

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Not sure whether this is the reason, but on early USAF airforce color camo tests they sis extensive colour tests. For protection from enemy aircraft above, a green paint job gives you more protection. But from below, a grey paint scheme works better to hide you.

In Iraq, army and USMC aircraft that were flying side by side noticed that the army "green" aircraft was spotted earlier than the "grey" USMC helos.

maybe it was an early daylight colour used for testing to see how visible it was to hi flyers and sats?


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didnt you read the other posts?

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boomer, yes mate I did, the comment I added is still valid.

so you to shoot me for adding extra info that could be relevant if more green goblins are found?

Any other green ones that are happy snapped in the air I would assume probably aren't flying tarps.

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Gray Stealth Fighter Tested for Daytime Missions (Posted: Thursday, February 12, 2004)

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By Miguel Navrot
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HOLLOMAN AIR FORCE BASE— To keep its cutting-edge stealth fighter hidden in broad daylight, the Air Force is trying a gray makeover.

"It's just common sense. A gray jet is harder to see during the day than a black jet," said Maj. Tre Urso, an 11-year Air Force veteran and test pilot with the stealth program.

Like bats, owls and vampires, the charcoal-black Nighthawk generally seeks its prey from dusk until dawn, striking at radar sites, communication towers and other targets.

At sunrise, however, the fighter jet's dark profile becomes visible.

Over the coming year, an experimental stealth jet painted gray will fly over southern New Mexico. Air Force evaluators want to know if the gray face can be useful in future combat.

Testing will involve human spotting, as well as measurements from electronic optics and sensors, said Lt. Col. Kevin Sullivan, who is overseeing the experiment.

The point is to gauge how visible a gray stealth is and whether gray variants are practical, said Sullivan, commander of the 53rd Test and Evaluation Group's Detachment 1 from Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada.

The gray stealth, known among base personnel as "the Dragon," was painted gray from nose to tail, though a few air intakes remain black.

Gray has been a default color for the Air Force's other fighter jets. The experimental stealth's paint scheme was based on the F/A-22 Raptor, a $200 million fighter under development, officials said.

For the past 15 years, the stealth fighter has largely owned the night skies in combat. It was the only U.S. jet to fly over Baghdad in the first war with Iraq, elusive to enemy radar screens and anti-aircraft fire.

The Air Force suffered its first and only Nighthawk combat loss in Serbia in 1999. Although the service hasn't divulged a precise cause, it is widely reported that a Soviet-designed surface-to-air missile brought down the jet.

A year ago, at the onset of Operation Iraqi Freedom, the Air Force sent the weapon over enemy territory as dawn approached. A pair of Holloman-based pilots flew two jets over Baghdad for surgical strikes aimed at Saddam Hussein and his sons.

Although nighttime had slipped away before the two dropped their payloads, overcast skies kept the pair hidden.

A gray covering on the paint could conceivably keep enemy targets vulnerable at all hours, officials said.

Air Force higher-ups will decide if more stealths will be painted gray.

This isn't the weapon's first alternate appearance. In the mid-1990s, the Air Force experimented with gray for a short while. Other historic photos show one of the jets with green and brown camouflage.

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Looks to me like its some sort of protective cover, as it covers the intakes and cockpit, looks like the underneath is still uncovered. Probably fits over the jet with the fins removed, maybe for storage. Three F-117s are based at Palmdale with the 412TW, my guess is they've reduced the testing workload and are putting a jet in flyable storage. It would pay to have the sensitive RAM paint covered to prolong its life. Could be simply towing the 117 to or from a hanger, looks fairly normal to me. Boomer, you trying to beat your huge thread on dodgy black project pictures? <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

The gray jet is based at Holloman with a det 1 of the 85th T&ES HQ'd at Eglin, tail code 'OT'.

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Hey, that was half my thread too! ;)

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Sorry bout that Snipe, I should have realised that Boomer wouldn't be talking to himself for that long. I don't think this subject has got the staying power, no strings attached <img src=newicons/anim_bow.gif border=0 align=middle>. The Aurora thread is now regarded as legend.

More I look at the picture, the more I'm sure its a cover of some sort and thats a standard F-117 underneath.

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<img src="D:\&Rest\dave\illegalplane.bmp" border=0> Hehe! <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

Davew27 :P <img src=newicons/icon_hog.gif border=0 align=middle>

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"legend" heh, I like the sound of that <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> room enough for 2 on that bandwagon trollhunter <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

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apparently it's the legend that wont die lol
this evening I got an IM asking if I had other pics of the "Aurora Bomber". I sent them here and told them to leave a message, lol

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